2018 GS - 10 Speed Automatic
#21
Melting Slicks
The 4 speed and the 6 speed and the 8 speed and now the 10 speed were not developed for the Corvette. They were developed for the high volume pickup trucks/SUVs and were modified to fit in the Corvette, and the Corvette modified so the transmission had room to fit.
The reason the 10 speed is just a couple of years behind the release of speed, is for CAFE. The 10 speed is needed for the high volume pickups/SUVs, nd to a lessor extent, the few lower volume cars where it will be used.
Also, my personal opinion is that GM is not happy with the A8 and is rushing to get the A10 into production. Normally you wouldn't have such a short product lifespan on a major component such as a transmission. To many dollars involved in R&D and tooling. That's my opinion, so everyone just keeps your panties on and not jump on me. I'm not stating it as a fact, only as my personal opinion.
The reason the 10 speed is just a couple of years behind the release of speed, is for CAFE. The 10 speed is needed for the high volume pickups/SUVs, nd to a lessor extent, the few lower volume cars where it will be used.
Also, my personal opinion is that GM is not happy with the A8 and is rushing to get the A10 into production. Normally you wouldn't have such a short product lifespan on a major component such as a transmission. To many dollars involved in R&D and tooling. That's my opinion, so everyone just keeps your panties on and not jump on me. I'm not stating it as a fact, only as my personal opinion.
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Har-ray (12-30-2016)
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bjones7131 (12-30-2016)
#23
Burning Brakes
I bet it will be in the Vette soon.
Someone said they asked the Engineers at the Bash why it didn't get the 10 speed, and they were told it's too long. Wouldn't I love that problem. Anywho, can't they just engineer a new torque tube or something. Hard to believe that GM would co-engineer a RWD performance transmission that shifts ungodly fast, seems to be very responsive and that would not only fix all the major complaints about the A8 people have, but improve MPG for the entire car which is extremely important for CAFE requirements......but that wouldn't fit into their halo performance car.
I think it takes GM a little extra time to finish whatever they need to finish to get it into the car. They tried to say they didn't need the A6 the first year of the C6, didn't need the A8 the first year of the C7 or find a way to rationalize why they don't need it so they don't lose sales of the current year.
My money is on the car getting the 10 speed soon.
Someone said they asked the Engineers at the Bash why it didn't get the 10 speed, and they were told it's too long. Wouldn't I love that problem. Anywho, can't they just engineer a new torque tube or something. Hard to believe that GM would co-engineer a RWD performance transmission that shifts ungodly fast, seems to be very responsive and that would not only fix all the major complaints about the A8 people have, but improve MPG for the entire car which is extremely important for CAFE requirements......but that wouldn't fit into their halo performance car.
I think it takes GM a little extra time to finish whatever they need to finish to get it into the car. They tried to say they didn't need the A6 the first year of the C6, didn't need the A8 the first year of the C7 or find a way to rationalize why they don't need it so they don't lose sales of the current year.
My money is on the car getting the 10 speed soon.
#24
Safety Car
Not sure if you folks are aware but the 8 speed was on and off the back burner for a while and at one point development had been suspended in favor of the upcoming 10 speed. Joe was right, what happened was cheaper gas changed the product mix toward less thrifty cars and GM was forced to put the A8 into production as a stop gap. For now the 10 speed needs to find its way into volume vehicles for CAFE purposes, these things are known.
My guesses and a little fact... Starting with the facts the Camaro hasn't been selling as well as hoped. Guesses are the more forgiving packaging and/or the fact that it was/is on the drawing board meant there was no reason not to throw the A10 at it when the CAFE numbers need all the help they can get. Meanwhile as Joe said they are putting their efforts toward getting the trans into volume vehicles first outside of those like the Camaro that as luck would have it are at generational change anyways. Last guess is all of a sudden the A10 will fit in the Vette just fine as soon as GM is ready to spend the money to get it there. They will of course tell you that it isn't needed and you shouldn't want it until they are actually ready to sell it at which time they will tell you it's the best thing to come along since jiggling breasts.
My guesses and a little fact... Starting with the facts the Camaro hasn't been selling as well as hoped. Guesses are the more forgiving packaging and/or the fact that it was/is on the drawing board meant there was no reason not to throw the A10 at it when the CAFE numbers need all the help they can get. Meanwhile as Joe said they are putting their efforts toward getting the trans into volume vehicles first outside of those like the Camaro that as luck would have it are at generational change anyways. Last guess is all of a sudden the A10 will fit in the Vette just fine as soon as GM is ready to spend the money to get it there. They will of course tell you that it isn't needed and you shouldn't want it until they are actually ready to sell it at which time they will tell you it's the best thing to come along since jiggling breasts.
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20171LE (06-24-2016)
#25
Le Mans Master
I think the 2018 GS will get a bump in power and the 10speed auto.
#26
Same goes for:
mid-engine
dual clutch transmission
all wheel drive
#27
Racer
The transmission was chosen for the ZL-1 because it was a low volume product that would provide a rolling testbed for the new transmission. GM Authority says that the transmission will be rolled out into other GM models as production quantities increase. Speculation is that Corvette will be among the early adaptors, because it needs to improve it's fuel economy so not to drag down the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).
That said, it may be available in the C7 in MY2018.
Remember that the product is built through a joint venture with Ford, so GM doesn't have access to the entire production run.
#28
Melting Slicks
I think the A10 is stupid and will not be used in the GS. It is too many gears. I already get tired of pulling the dumb levers in the A8.
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bjones7131 (12-30-2016)
#29
Melting Slicks
Ford Motor Company invested $1.4 billion in new tooling and upgrades at its Livonia Transmission Plant in Michigan to build an all-new 10-speed automatic transmission.
General Motors announced that it will spend $343 million on new tooling for its own transmission factory, in Romulus, Michigan -- also to build an all-new 10-speed automatic transmission.
#30
Race Director
Wow! Ten speeds, seemingly unreliable 8 speed, when will it all end. Reliability is the key (not how many gears can be crammed into a transmission case). I wouldn't think of purchasing an A8 Corvette at this point in time.
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pdiddy972 (01-02-2017)
#31
Le Mans Master
I agree. Being a life long vette junkie, I've been sitting on the side lines happily driving my stage 1 modded 2012 CTS-V with the old school but RELIABLE A6, waiting for GM to finally get all the stuttering, torque converter, transmission, countless software updates etc, resolved before replacing my CTS-V with a new Z06.
Like many others, although a manual is fun, to me it becomes a chore when one is thru playing. After owning 9 vettes (all but 2 with a manual) and many other fun performance cars with manuals, I've happily joined the paddle shifting club. If however the auto version doesn't have the bugs worked out, I too would buy the manual in a new Vette if I finally get tired of waiting.
#32
Drifting
I predict it to be 20% less reliable than the A8 !
I understand the need for more gears in a small 4 cylinder, yes absolutely but a torque monster V8, I am already not using all the gears in my M7, isn't that why we buy V8's !
Many will say it's for fuel economy but this is BS, there is a diminishing return on fuel economy once you pass the 6 speed auto. The gains are continually diminshed so the benefit becomes marginal. It's just become a pissing match for manufactures to say... i have more gears than you !
Sorry to say, electric is the future, maybe with a two speed powerglide!
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Call them gripes if you want but for the guys that have had real issues with the A8 and weeks with their cars in the dealerships for repair, probably not a good word to use. GM can't get the A8 right after 3 yrs what makes you think they can get an A10 right. l would like to see someone generate a pole on who has and has not had issues with the A8.
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#34
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The transmission was chosen for the ZL-1 because it was a low volume product that would provide a rolling testbed for the new transmission. GM Authority says that the transmission will be rolled out into other GM models as production quantities increase. Speculation is that Corvette will be among the early adaptors, because it needs to improve it's fuel economy so not to drag down the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy).
That said, it may be available in the C7 in MY2018.
Remember that the product is built through a joint venture with Ford, so GM doesn't have access to the entire production run.
That said, it may be available in the C7 in MY2018.
Remember that the product is built through a joint venture with Ford, so GM doesn't have access to the entire production run.
2% better gas mileage from 25,000 Corvettes annually, or 2% better gas mileage from a million pickup trucks annually? Ford's first use of their A10 is in their F150 pickup truck(where the volume is).
Ford designed the RWD A10 transmission and GM designed the FWD A9 transmission. The two companies agreed to share the designs. Each company will produce their own transmissions based on the shared designs.
GM will build their own A10's and their own A9's in GM's manufacturing facilities and Ford will build their own A10's and their own A9's in Ford's manufacturing facilities.
GM does not have to wait inline behind Ford to get a10 transmissions.
Last edited by JoesC5; 12-30-2016 at 11:51 AM.
#36
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think the corvette will be A8 till end of C7 then a PDK style trans for the C8 mid engine cars.. just a guess
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