I think a lot of people buy cars they can't afford
#81
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I bought my first Corvette at 22. My next two cars were Porsches. Then there was a host of cars in the ensuing years.
I went back into Corvettes at age 60 - 14 years ago and have used them as daily drivers ever since. Like a couple of other posters have said, I'm pretty bored with the my C7 - got 21,000 miles on it - so, I do drive it. But it just does _everything_ too well....yawn.
I had a CTS-V coupe that I wish, now, I'd kept.
I have an old (1988) Ferrari that I mostly DD these days... it's never boring.
Robert Heinlein in his book _The Notebooks of Lazarus Long_ wrote: "Budget the luxuries first." I agree - I'm 74.
I went back into Corvettes at age 60 - 14 years ago and have used them as daily drivers ever since. Like a couple of other posters have said, I'm pretty bored with the my C7 - got 21,000 miles on it - so, I do drive it. But it just does _everything_ too well....yawn.
I had a CTS-V coupe that I wish, now, I'd kept.
I have an old (1988) Ferrari that I mostly DD these days... it's never boring.
Robert Heinlein in his book _The Notebooks of Lazarus Long_ wrote: "Budget the luxuries first." I agree - I'm 74.
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I've been reviewing the "C7 Corvette For Sale" Forum and it stuck me how many C7s are for sale, many with very low miles. The thought occurred that many people buy these cars but really can't afford them so they are forced to sell them in a relatively short time.
I wondered the average age of these sellers? I bet they are under 35 years of age.
I wondered the average age of these sellers? I bet they are under 35 years of age.
#83
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I've been reviewing the "C7 Corvette For Sale" Forum and it stuck me how many C7s are for sale, many with very low miles. The thought occurred that many people buy these cars but really can't afford them so they are forced to sell them in a relatively short time.
I wondered the average age of these sellers? I bet they are under 35 years of age.
I wondered the average age of these sellers? I bet they are under 35 years of age.
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#86
HA, I bought my '16 not for its performance, styling or looks, but to simply tell the world I have a huge pee pee.
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#90
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I must have missed the memo owning two Corvettes and under 35
2015 Stingray bought new and a C6 I've put more money into on modifications than I'm proud of but damn...too poor for me to do all of that (see signature)...
I was poor in my 20s because...college/med school/residency but I'm sure as hell making up for lost time enjoying my cars.
There's multiple reasons for selling a car that's relatively new beyond the one assumption that it's young poor people...
Are there a lot of poor young people? Yes there are, however, there are a good chunk of us who make the right decisions to put ourselves financially in a good position. I've seen plenty of old folks who made poor life decisions and are struggling to make ends meet at a point in their life where it's too late to make a change. It goes both ways.
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St. Jude Donor '16-'17,'22,'24
Well, if there are some folks out there who bought over their heads, there's not a lot of C7 owners who did. Used prices are high. So high that it makes zero sense to buy a plane jane 14 or 15 compared to a new 16 especially if you take into account the cost of the warranty time lost. I know, I'm out there looking.
Is it possible some of the used C7s are out there because you can sell one for almost what you paid for it so why not?
Is it possible some of the used C7s are out there because you can sell one for almost what you paid for it so why not?
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#92
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To see this in action, just go on any technology forum where they are discussing mobile devices. Start a thread titled "iPhone is better than Android" (actually you wont have to start one as there will already be plenty) and sit back and watch the fun. When that flame war finally peters out, start another one called "Android is better than iPhone" (but you won't have to do that as there are plenty of those too) and once again sit back and watch the flame war progress.
I see this same syndrome on this forum over an over and over and over...on many topics. Fiance vs cash, should I get a catch can, what oil should I use, .....its monotonous. Endless meaningless flame wars. Nothing will ever be settled because everyone has already decided what is best for everyone = what is best for them.
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Everyone here seems to suffering from the same disease I find on nearly every forum I participate in, weather its cars, trucks, technology, or anything else. Its the "everybody should be the same as me" mental illness. Basically everyone tends to look at their own situation and figures out what is best for them....but then is totally unable to accept that someone else does the same assessment and comes up with a different answer.
To see this in action, just go on any technology forum where they are discussing mobile devices. Start a thread titled "iPhone is better than Android" (actually you wont have to start one as there will already be plenty) and sit back and watch the fun. When that flame war finally peters out, start another one called "Android is better than iPhone" (but you won't have to do that as there are plenty of those too) and once again sit back and watch the flame war progress.
I see this same syndrome on this forum over an over and over and over...on many topics. Fiance vs cash, should I get a catch can, what oil should I use, .....its monotonous. Endless meaningless flame wars. Nothing will ever be settled because everyone has already decided what is best for everyone = what is best for them.
To see this in action, just go on any technology forum where they are discussing mobile devices. Start a thread titled "iPhone is better than Android" (actually you wont have to start one as there will already be plenty) and sit back and watch the fun. When that flame war finally peters out, start another one called "Android is better than iPhone" (but you won't have to do that as there are plenty of those too) and once again sit back and watch the flame war progress.
I see this same syndrome on this forum over an over and over and over...on many topics. Fiance vs cash, should I get a catch can, what oil should I use, .....its monotonous. Endless meaningless flame wars. Nothing will ever be settled because everyone has already decided what is best for everyone = what is best for them.
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#94
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While I don't pay $780 we still have a healthy payment at 3.1% for 75. We put down enough cash that I will never be upside down on the loan, the payment is easily affordable for us with plenty going to retirement and savings still with 0 student loan and 0 credit card debt.
Sure the money could go other places and I didn't "need" a Corvette at 30, I don't "need" to go through a set of tires in 7 months at AutoX and HPDEs but I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, next week, next year and never see my "I'm saving for the future" plan come to be. My father passed at 39 and I have lost 3 close friends with the oldest being 32, needless to say I no longer take time for granted and live every day to it's fullest. Time is the one resource we can't get back.
Sure the money could go other places and I didn't "need" a Corvette at 30, I don't "need" to go through a set of tires in 7 months at AutoX and HPDEs but I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, next week, next year and never see my "I'm saving for the future" plan come to be. My father passed at 39 and I have lost 3 close friends with the oldest being 32, needless to say I no longer take time for granted and live every day to it's fullest. Time is the one resource we can't get back.
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#95
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Car Payments are relative ... $780 would be a lot for a $20K Honda Civic ... but not for a $80K C7 ... and if the Interest rate is low ... who cares what the payment amount is?
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Another young owner checking in! I'm at the ripe age of 26, put a sizable down payment towards my Vette and financed $40K. I played the real estate game and won, made a crap ton of money and paid my Vette off in April of this year. No family money and no assistance to pay for my Vette, I just have a great job and do not live a frivolous lifestyle. My parents taught me financial lessons in my teens and I have always been an excellent saver and financial planner. So much so that my career is in financial analysis
I think Glen E said it best - these cars are "toys" for most so if times get tough, they are the first to go.
I think Glen E said it best - these cars are "toys" for most so if times get tough, they are the first to go.
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Entertaining thread.
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More like 60k+ Up front for a car is crazy.
I don't believe it's in anyone's best interest to dump everything that they've worked hard for into a depreciating asset
The money can be used much more wisely.
Not saying drag out the terms of your loan, cause you'll end up paying more in interest, but allow yourself to make smarter investments instead of blowing 75k in a vette that will almost never likely appreciate in any way
Pay it how ever you can, drive it, sell it, or keep it. Its simple
I don't believe it's in anyone's best interest to dump everything that they've worked hard for into a depreciating asset
The money can be used much more wisely.
Not saying drag out the terms of your loan, cause you'll end up paying more in interest, but allow yourself to make smarter investments instead of blowing 75k in a vette that will almost never likely appreciate in any way
Pay it how ever you can, drive it, sell it, or keep it. Its simple
#100
A lot of sound advice here but I guess when we start talking about Corvettes as assets rather than toys I'd stop with the '67 model year. My father grew up during the depression and that experience shaped his financial views. He was all about secure savings. He denied himself many things during his lifetime. When I was old enough to feel the impact of tough times I was shaped by run away inflation. The lesson I learned was that if you are going to buy something the longer you save for it the more it will cost. With interest rates at 1.5%, borrowing money for a new Z seems OK to me. I expect to see the car depreciate but I bought it for enjoyment not investment but I expect to see a lot of "solid investments" depreciate pretty soon too.