Tech unhappy about my car on Valet mode -"R" rated
11-09-2014, 10:49 AM
#61
Burning Brakes
The legal nonsense - can I record, can't I?
Put it this way - people in this County don't care about moral or ethical and will cross legal if its a good story: What I mean is if you want to get your way with anything like this you let them know you will hand it over to the press - that's the only thing that seems to persuade people these days.
I think if you pay personal property tax on a car (MO), then its your personal property and you are within your rights to record anything and everything with or without consent. There is nothing worse than a piece of $#!T person who uses legal to bend ethical and moral -
Think of all the scumbags in this Country who get off because there was a legal loophole - think about it "You can't use that to incriminate me because I didn't know I was being recorded" are you f'n serious???
You know there is a problem in the system when doing something wrong isn't doing something wrong anymore if you didn't know you were getting caught red handed during the act.....
Put it this way - people in this County don't care about moral or ethical and will cross legal if its a good story: What I mean is if you want to get your way with anything like this you let them know you will hand it over to the press - that's the only thing that seems to persuade people these days.
I think if you pay personal property tax on a car (MO), then its your personal property and you are within your rights to record anything and everything with or without consent. There is nothing worse than a piece of $#!T person who uses legal to bend ethical and moral -
Think of all the scumbags in this Country who get off because there was a legal loophole - think about it "You can't use that to incriminate me because I didn't know I was being recorded" are you f'n serious???
You know there is a problem in the system when doing something wrong isn't doing something wrong anymore if you didn't know you were getting caught red handed during the act.....
I'm not a Lawyer....but....I believe earlier this year the Supreme Court of Illinois actually ruled that video and verbal recordings were allowed when the individual(s) did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Go figure. The most corrupt State in the Union actually did something right!!
11-09-2014, 10:52 AM
#62
there is an entire thread on this subject guys.
and all of the non lawyers keep spouting about how its unfair/doesn't make sense/whatever and repeatedly ignore the people here who are, in fact, lawyers.
and all of the non lawyers keep spouting about how its unfair/doesn't make sense/whatever and repeatedly ignore the people here who are, in fact, lawyers.
11-09-2014, 10:58 AM
#63
Can't believe people are actually calling for someone to be fired over this. The self-righteousness on here is overwhelming. 
11-09-2014, 11:14 AM
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"Where I can't listen to the radio"
"That's some bulls&&it"
"This fu@king pri&eke car not going to be right"
"This is bs" "is there a way to repair it"
"I can program it to make it go away"
"Then I can change it myself where he can't get into it, and say I don't know, maybe you don't know your code"
"Laughter"
If this isn't a reason to fire someone, I don't know what is. A tech intentionally screwing up a customers car, then laughing about it. He'd never work for me again!
"That's some bulls&&it"
"This fu@king pri&eke car not going to be right"
"This is bs" "is there a way to repair it"
"I can program it to make it go away"
"Then I can change it myself where he can't get into it, and say I don't know, maybe you don't know your code"
"Laughter"
If this isn't a reason to fire someone, I don't know what is. A tech intentionally screwing up a customers car, then laughing about it. He'd never work for me again!
11-09-2014, 11:23 AM
#65
Le Mans Master
11-09-2014, 11:28 AM
#66
Burning Brakes
Sheesh.... I guess you don't understand....
He really is innocent because.... IF he had known he was being recorded, he wouldn't have said those things and incriminated himself. Thus, he would have only thought it...or mumbled it incoherently---and still screwed up his car. And then you couldn't prove anything....
He really is innocent because.... IF he had known he was being recorded, he wouldn't have said those things and incriminated himself. Thus, he would have only thought it...or mumbled it incoherently---and still screwed up his car. And then you couldn't prove anything....
11-09-2014, 11:42 AM
#67
Burning Brakes
While I respect your opinion and can understand your viewpoint, this tech is a person entrusted to work on brakes, airbags and all manner of safety related issues also. Even an alignment way out of whack is potentially dangerous. It's bad enough that an improper repair can be done by someone actually trying to do it right. What if a customer (even unintentionally) rubs the tech the wrong way by doing something even more heinous than blocking radio controls?
11-09-2014, 11:43 AM
#68
Burning Brakes
11-09-2014, 12:40 PM
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11-09-2014, 01:40 PM
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11-09-2014, 02:03 PM
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11-09-2014, 02:11 PM
#76
Race Director
All too often I am saying the same exact thing.....
"Do what's right, even when no one is watching."
But your post is exactly why I am choosing to retire sooner than later, because the military has turned into a service of entitlement where many leaders want to be liked rather than doing what is expected of them, given their leadership role and responsibilities.
This recording, whether legal or otherwise, should be a hard lesson learned for the douchebag mechanic. I guarantee that ***** wouldn't have said anything of the sort had the OP been standing within earshot.
He only said it because he can. And he believes he can get away with it.
I do hope that clown gets FFFFFFIRED!!!!
11-09-2014, 04:42 PM
#77
Drifting
Not defending the guy, but remember that there is a difference between what people say and what they actually do. Just because this guy said xxx, doesn't mean he would actually do it.
A single incident like this should not get the guy fired, it has to be taken in context of his overall work and behavior.
A single incident like this should not get the guy fired, it has to be taken in context of his overall work and behavior.
11-09-2014, 04:58 PM
#78
If the guy is a competent tech (read "has some redeeming attributes") I'd give him a serious career/attitude adjustment session. Put his butt on probation, and arrange for him to personally apologize to the customer. If he cleans up his act, great. If not, show him the exit.
11-09-2014, 05:03 PM
#79
Le Mans Master
I'm in the 'get him fired' camp. Who want's someone with that kind of attitude working on their car? Or on anyone's car? Or anyone's anything? That guy has some serious growing up to do, and it's not going to happen if there aren't consequences for that kind of thinking. He's not ENTITLED to a position of trust, he has to earn it.
11-09-2014, 05:14 PM
#80
Melting Slicks
What was wrong with your C7?
Brought my 15 for a warranty item to dealership. Put car in n valet mode. Apparently the tech was not happy that he could not work the radio and the following is the transcript from the audio portion of the PDR. The tech has a conversation with another tech while moving car to bay.
"What a f%#ing di#%head"
"What an a$@hole"
"Valet mode, enter code"
"What a pri$k"
"I ain't fixing it"
"He'll be back 50 f%#king times"
"If I can't listen to it, then f$&k you"
"Good luck getting it fixed"
"You can have this ..."
As the car is being guided into bay
"It's crooked as hell"
"It's all under warranty" "bam"!
Nothing on video appeared out of the ordinary
He then tells the tech:
"This d&?khead has the valet mode on the radio"
Other techs response:
"What's valet mode?"
"Where I can't listen to the radio"
"That's some bulls&&it"
"This fu@king pri&eke car not going to be right"
"This is bs" "is there a way to repair it"
"I can program it to make it go away"
"Then I can change it myself where he can't get into it, and say I don't know, maybe you don't know your code"
"Laughter"
All this in less than two minutes.
Unbelievable but true
Will follow up.
"What a f%#ing di#%head"
"What an a$@hole"
"Valet mode, enter code"
"What a pri$k"
"I ain't fixing it"
"He'll be back 50 f%#king times"
"If I can't listen to it, then f$&k you"
"Good luck getting it fixed"
"You can have this ..."
As the car is being guided into bay
"It's crooked as hell"
"It's all under warranty" "bam"!
Nothing on video appeared out of the ordinary
He then tells the tech:
"This d&?khead has the valet mode on the radio"
Other techs response:
"What's valet mode?"
"Where I can't listen to the radio"
"That's some bulls&&it"
"This fu@king pri&eke car not going to be right"
"This is bs" "is there a way to repair it"
"I can program it to make it go away"
"Then I can change it myself where he can't get into it, and say I don't know, maybe you don't know your code"
"Laughter"
All this in less than two minutes.
Unbelievable but true
Will follow up.