Oil caught by an Elite Engine 2 port Catch Can
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Oil caught by an Elite Engine 2 port Catch Can
This is about 3000 miles worth of collection (roughly 1/4 of the capacity of the catch can's reservoir).
Z51, M7, VIN 11822.
Not overly aggressively driven but quite "spirited" most times
Z51, M7, VIN 11822.
Not overly aggressively driven but quite "spirited" most times
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now check your intake manifold. oily or dry?
where do you have it routed? is it connected to the dry sump tank?
where do you have it routed? is it connected to the dry sump tank?
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So I'm guessing the patented valve covers aren't working as designed, imagine what the back of the intake valve would look like had you not had the catch can
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(I've been offered a 3 port one from Elite but I was waiting to see what the deal was before I went for it)
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It seems like the issues are the Z51 dry sump cars. I know my wet sump has not had any issues. my intake manifold and tube is bone dry, and I check it all the time.
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Same here ....the z51’s are putting oil in the air passages from burping the reservoir, not from the catch can.
I had one that I ordered for a friend, and then he decided not to buy a C7. So I put it on my non z51. I collected about a tablespoon per 1000 miles. So I took it off, based on that small amount and the info provided by mike at criswell that he published here, I don't need the extra plumbing....just. my choice. Not dissing those that do.
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It seems like such a good idea. To be able to remove/separate oil from the vapors in the crankcase makes sense. My biggest concern is does it (the added separator) compromise the OEM emissions system? Will the car fail the visual emissions inspections? I'm in California and our "Smog Test" stations are very critical of any "breathers, vents, catch cans" that attach to any part of a "closed crankcase" and will fail you at the drop of a hat unless there is a CARB (California Air Resources Board) approval number available for the equipment.
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Just spent the 399.00 for the 2 port and oil cap. Had a oil burp or 2 or 3 and they suck!
This looks to be a nice set-up and not huge like another I was looking at!
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 07-24-2014 at 10:39 PM.
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Same here ....the z51’s are putting oil in the air passages from burping the reservoir, not from the catch can.
I had one that I ordered for a friend, and then he decided not to buy a C7. So I put it on my non z51. I collected about a tablespoon per 1000 miles. So I took it off, based on that small amount and the info provided by mike at criswell that he published here, I don't need the extra plumbing....just. my choice. Not dissing those that do.
I had one that I ordered for a friend, and then he decided not to buy a C7. So I put it on my non z51. I collected about a tablespoon per 1000 miles. So I took it off, based on that small amount and the info provided by mike at criswell that he published here, I don't need the extra plumbing....just. my choice. Not dissing those that do.
Like Glen I'm not dissing anyone that has or wants a catch can but I don't see this as that much liquid (it's more than oil IMHO) over 3000 miles as an issue. The engine would have consumed this without a problem and not leave anything in the intake manifold as it's in vapor form and takes something like a catch can to precipitate it.
The wet throttle bodies and intake manifolds are getting oil from the dry sump tank, not the PCV system.
I know my tank was at the border of being overfilled as the top hole on the dipstick was covered. When I changed it I made sure it was halfway on the crosshatch which equated to 9.4 qts. My intake and all tubes starting at the vent on the oil tank are 100% dry and trust me, the motor hasn't been babied.
A word of advice for Z51 owners who have others change their oil, tell them to fill with 9qts, not one drop more, and give you the 10th qt to take home so you can top it off to the correct level 5-10 minutes after you get home and shut the car off.
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And I will contend that in 100% of the Z51's that have the "burping" issue is due to overfilling.
Like Glen I'm not dissing anyone that has or wants a catch can but I don't see this as that much liquid (it's more than oil IMHO) over 3000 miles as an issue. The engine would have consumed this without a problem and not leave anything in the intake manifold as it's in vapor form and takes something like a catch can to precipitate it.
The wet throttle bodies and intake manifolds are getting oil from the dry sump tank, not the PCV system.
I know my tank was at the border of being overfilled as the top hole on the dipstick was covered. When I changed it I made sure it was halfway on the crosshatch which equated to 9.4 qts. My intake and all tubes starting at the vent on the oil tank are 100% dry and trust me, the motor hasn't been babied.
A word of advice for Z51 owners who have others change their oil, tell them to fill with 9qts, not one drop more, and give you the 10th qt to take home so you can top it off to the correct level 5-10 minutes after you get home and shut the car off.
Like Glen I'm not dissing anyone that has or wants a catch can but I don't see this as that much liquid (it's more than oil IMHO) over 3000 miles as an issue. The engine would have consumed this without a problem and not leave anything in the intake manifold as it's in vapor form and takes something like a catch can to precipitate it.
The wet throttle bodies and intake manifolds are getting oil from the dry sump tank, not the PCV system.
I know my tank was at the border of being overfilled as the top hole on the dipstick was covered. When I changed it I made sure it was halfway on the crosshatch which equated to 9.4 qts. My intake and all tubes starting at the vent on the oil tank are 100% dry and trust me, the motor hasn't been babied.
A word of advice for Z51 owners who have others change their oil, tell them to fill with 9qts, not one drop more, and give you the 10th qt to take home so you can top it off to the correct level 5-10 minutes after you get home and shut the car off.
I will content that with the car a quart low on oil it STILL burped oil!
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The oil cap shown gets rid of the stock vent on the dry sump. Looks to be the answer!
Plus the catch can! 399.00 whole set-up on the way!
Then we should see a change on the 2015's or soon. This a factory problem on some of the Z51's
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 07-24-2014 at 11:05 PM.
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BTW Ron Fellows runs 50 Z51's all day long as hard as you can or should run these cars and they don't have oil tank burping issues, at least no one who's been there and asked has been told they do.
I corrected my post to say 95%
Last edited by mjw930; 07-24-2014 at 11:05 PM.
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http://www.eliteengineeringusa.com/b...-check-valves/
The oil cap shown gets rid of the stock vent on the dry sump. Looks to be the answer!
Plus the catch can! 399.00 whole set-up on the way!
The oil cap shown gets rid of the stock vent on the dry sump. Looks to be the answer!
Plus the catch can! 399.00 whole set-up on the way!
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This is better than the factory set-up far from a bandaid the cap is pretty trick the stock venting on the dry sump can be an issue. Then the catch can for extra measure.
If your happy
with 400 rwhp go for it but after nothing less than 513 rwhp and that was for a couple weeks. I love the Supercharged power, last build and cars were 2008/513 to 572, Z06 585 to 625rwhp, Stock ZR1
and the 600 from the C7.
The 460 alone from the C7 is boring!
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 07-24-2014 at 11:18 PM.
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I would like to believe and still do put my trust with the engineers who designed the engine this will not be a problem. Will wait and see, no problems at all with my Corvette, but have less than 2,000 miles on it so far....