C7 Paint Jobs... What's Going On?
#101
Burning Brakes
Back in 2007 I ordered a C6 and when I got it ( 2 months later) some panels had OP. My fix, I used Meguiar's 205 on those panels with a rotary buffer two or three times until they were so smooth like a nun bubs.
#102
Safety Car
#103
Le Mans Master
It is really unfortunate about the paint issues, I just read where the Black C7 wheels are painted and not Powder Coated and some are having scratches after a few washes.
Imo, just another sign GM is cutting corners to save a buck.
Imo, just another sign GM is cutting corners to save a buck.
#104
16 Vettes and counting…..
Been reading all the various threads about OP and posts in this one stating that it occurs only in the clear coat. Can anyone explain why OP occurs only in the clear coat and not in the base (color) coat? What is about the clear paint that makes it susceptible to OP occurring and the complement question - what is it about color paint that makes it immune to OP?
Nothing will change until people stop buying because of the paint issue. Right now, they're selling them as fast as they can make them so it's not a priority with GM. Until they are finally called out by the magazines, blogs, and forums like this, and it actually has an affect on the bottom line, there is no reason to fix it.
It will happen eventually, but only after the feeding frenzy is over and people start taking a closer look.
#105
Safety Car
Hi Sam! It always comes back to "bang for the buck," for my money that's not good enough.
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Bang for the buck????? What an interesting concept. Can anyone name ANY new car out there that provides more bang for the buck?????
And also any company not recalling their product?
And BTW how are those Acura sales doing????? Record setting????
And also any company not recalling their product?
And BTW how are those Acura sales doing????? Record setting????
#107
I don't think there's been any actual proof that it is ONLY the clear coat that has the issue.....and from the cars I've seen, the FRP panels themselves seem to be quite wavy, which would add to the overall appearance of a poor finish.
Nothing will change until people stop buying because of the paint issue. Right now, they're selling them as fast as they can make them so it's not a priority with GM. Until they are finally called out by the magazines, blogs, and forums like this, and it actually has an affect on the bottom line, there is no reason to fix it.
It will happen eventually, but only after the feeding frenzy is over and people start taking a closer look.
Nothing will change until people stop buying because of the paint issue. Right now, they're selling them as fast as they can make them so it's not a priority with GM. Until they are finally called out by the magazines, blogs, and forums like this, and it actually has an affect on the bottom line, there is no reason to fix it.
It will happen eventually, but only after the feeding frenzy is over and people start taking a closer look.
Sure there's people who say they cant see them, I just wish I was one of them.
#108
Safety Car
I think what many are saying Greg is that they could do better, even if it costs a little more they'd be wise to invest in doing it right IMO.
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Record month???!!! Thats because its all you Dan!!! You the man!!
But you do know that Acura is way behind and losing more distance all the time. The TL is not selling the RL is a huge disappointment. Now the new TL looks sweet but man that hunk of whatever the current generation is.........ugly and they just do not ride that well.
#110
Safety Car
Oh Dan you are right........but that comes with a cost and you know what happens as soon as they raise the prices...... folks come out of the woodwork!!!!
Record month???!!! Thats because its all you Dan!!! You the man!!
But you do know that Acura is way behind and losing more distance all the time. The TL is not selling the RL is a huge disappointment. Now the new TL looks sweet but man that hunk of whatever the current generation is.........ugly and they just do not ride that well.
Record month???!!! Thats because its all you Dan!!! You the man!!
But you do know that Acura is way behind and losing more distance all the time. The TL is not selling the RL is a huge disappointment. Now the new TL looks sweet but man that hunk of whatever the current generation is.........ugly and they just do not ride that well.
As for Acura you're right, our SUV's are great and our sedans are dead in the water. The new TLX should help that problem, built right in your backyard.
#111
Burning Brakes
According to the GM engineers I spoke with at the bash, one of the real problems in painting this car is that it has so many dissimilar materials making up the different panels, be it carbon fiber, plastic, fiberglass or the composites, each accept paint differently and cure differently, so its been a real bitch to get it right. Adjusting pressures and speed and quantity of application on one panel to make it smooth makes it rougher on another material, but they are definitely aware of the issue and are trying to improve.
#112
According to the GM engineers I spoke with at the bash, one of the real problems in painting this car is that it has so many dissimilar materials making up the different panels, be it carbon fiber, plastic, fiberglass or the composites, each accept paint differently and cure differently, so its been a real bitch to get it right. Adjusting pressures and speed and quantity of application on one panel to make it smooth makes it rougher on another material, but they are definitely aware of the issue and are trying to improve.
#113
Orange peel
At the Bash last week, the QC engineers met with some C7 owners to go over problems, and we were assured they are working on the best solution for the orange peel. Won't help any of us who already have it, but at least they are being proactive about identifying problems.
To the OP, you have to pay destination charges, even for Museum Delivery......so they had to give us something for free.
To the OP, you have to pay destination charges, even for Museum Delivery......so they had to give us something for free.
#115
16 Vettes and counting…..
You're right, the panels are not straight. If you look closely most are a bit wavy. That bothers me more than the OP. OP can be sanded and buffed out, not much you can do about wavy panels. Looks like a steel panel that had poor bodywork done. Only a real car enthusiast or custom pain guy would see it but its there.
Sure there's people who say they cant see them, I just wish I was one of them.
Sure there's people who say they cant see them, I just wish I was one of them.
#116
I just took delivery of a 2015 Tahoe for the wife and it has a beautiful paint job. My c7 is no better than my c5 is. I think bowling green does not know how to paint.
#117
I have a Ferrari and it's much better than the Ferrari.
I think when GM paints metal based cars the paint comes out much better due to the material they are painting.
#118
Le Mans Master
It would be nice if someone (or more than one someone) would post close-up pics of the "unaccepable" OP. I have some on my LRG and I'd be interested if mine is better or worse. I think mine is acceptable so maybe it is better or maybe I just have a lower threshold on what is acceptable or not.
http://americascorvette.com/orange-peel-problem/
There are a number of reasons for orange peel, but thickness and spraying technique is usually a culprit for beginners. Fish eye can also be mistaken for Orange Peel and is due to contamination in the paint product, or on the surface, or in the air lines.
SOME CAUSES OF UGLY ORANGE PELL:
- Under reduction and/or air pressure too low.
- Thinner/reducer evaporates too fast for spray conditions.
- Excessive film thickness or piling on of heavy wet coats.
- Improper spray gun set-up.
- Improper painting technique.
- Contamination on surface of the car (Repels paint or fish eying effect)
- Old paint materials (outdated or exposed to air) especially the harder catalyst will also cause orange peel.
METHODS OF REPAIR:
- Compound or polish to reduce surface texture.
- Or, sand smooth with 1200 or finer grit sandpaper, compound and polish to restore gloss.
- Or, sand smooth and refinish.
PREVENTION:
- Use proper reduction ratio and spray at recommended air pressure.
- Select recommended thinner/reducer based on temperature, humidity, air movement, and size of repair.
- Avoid heavy coats and excessive film thickness.
- Use recommended spray gun, fluid tip and air cap for the material being sprayed. Always adjust the gun for best atomization and balanced spray pattern before paint application.
- During paint application, hold the gun perpendicular and parallel to the surface. Adjust speed of pass, pattern overlap, and distance from the panel to achieve the desired appearance.
1. sponge wet dry 1200 grit
2. 2000/3000 grit wet dry
3. hybrid wool pad with flex 3403 rotary on med speed w/ meg's ultimate compound
4. orbital with orange pad - speed 5- more UC
5. orbital with white or black pad with Meg's 205...
Last edited by Got uid0; 05-04-2014 at 12:59 AM.
#119
Le Mans Master
I don't think there's been any actual proof that it is ONLY the clear coat that has the issue.....and from the cars I've seen, the FRP panels themselves seem to be quite wavy, which would add to the overall appearance of a poor finish.
Nothing will change until people stop buying because of the paint issue. Right now, they're selling them as fast as they can make them so it's not a priority with GM. Until they are finally called out by the magazines, blogs, and forums like this, and it actually has an affect on the bottom line, there is no reason to fix it.
It will happen eventually, but only after the feeding frenzy is over and people start taking a closer look.
Nothing will change until people stop buying because of the paint issue. Right now, they're selling them as fast as they can make them so it's not a priority with GM. Until they are finally called out by the magazines, blogs, and forums like this, and it actually has an affect on the bottom line, there is no reason to fix it.
It will happen eventually, but only after the feeding frenzy is over and people start taking a closer look.
http://www.defelsko.com/p200/positector200.htm