jagamajajaran

There are some extreme cases of orange peel on some new Corvettes. This has been acknowledged by GM in that some orange peel cases have been repaired at GM's expense. There needs to be a better standard of what is allowed to come out of the factory and what goes back for correction before the cars are released for delivery. I don't think this is too much to ask or expect. I'm baffled by those who think this is acceptable and is not going to change.

These are a couple of examples of extreme orange peel on new C7 Corvettes. I am of the opinion that these kinds of results can be and should be corrected at the factory level. And I think GM is going to make those corrections. But we have to let GM know this kind of paint issue is not good.

bbrown450

signed nay sayers or not...you should be commended for having had these issues gotten your resolve and coming back to help those who have not found their voices. There are plenty of ways to "shine the light " on issues such as these petitions or a caravan of 100 or so C7's heading to the museum, imagine the press for that.For those that have ""perfect" paint and are dog piling on those looking to get resolve I would urge you to help you fellow brothers on this issue as you would on all of the cool tips that have been shared. We all have one thing in common here a passion for this car

BMadden

I agree with you 100% that severe cases of orange peel like that are unacceptable and should be addressed by GM. I was simply saying that it will never be eradicated completely on the factory level.

jagamajajaran

Glad to help...and well said!

jagamajajaran

I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you were saying to some degree. And I do agree with you on the point that it will never be eradicated completely at the factory level.

jagamajajaran

100 Signatures!

Translator

We reached 101 signatures. Now it says that we need 99 more? I was under the impression that 100 was the magical number?

jagamajajaran

100 was the first goal. Since it was set up in 100s, it sets the next goal automatically at 200. GM now has it and can see the petition grow as names are added.

puzzleboy

A Vette is a mass produced car, and is cheap for what it is. Orange peel is impossible to eradicate.

Any new car I take delivery of, must be clean and indoors for my inspection. Because once you give them the money, you'll get nowhere.

jr3

Mass produced cars will always have some degree of OP... They are produced fast, in large numbers, and don't get the extra time to "sand and polish out" the OP that many high end cars get.

The inconsistency in the OP from car to car to some degree is normal. The paint products and clear coats are very sensitive. Temperature, humidity, surface prep, panel composition, spraying applications, ALL can affect paint and clear coat results. Even the number of coats of clear the panel gets can affect the surface results. Many people don't know just how sensitive paint products can be. You can spray one body panel one day, then spray an exact duplicate panel the next day and have two different surface results. That's why "expensive time consuming" sanding and polishing is needed on some paint jobs that have more OP.

Mass produced cars don't get as much time spent on them as higher end lower production cars. The mass prod. cars are assembled in a certain amount of time, then they move on to the next station.

Yes, many things can affect paint and clear coat results. They are very sensitive to temperature, humidity, surface prep, panel composition, and spraying applications. All can affect the paint and clear coat results. Even the number of coats of clear can affect the surface results. Sometimes you can have a body panel that you've sprayed that looks slick as glass, then spray one more coat of clear and it could cause problems. The base paint can look good, but the clear coat can result in a orange peel surface.

In some cases it just takes a GOOD body person to make that finish look like glass. I don't know if the BG plant has enough "specialist" to spend the time it would take to make every car's finish look like glass. And not everyone can do the "sand and polish" some finishes need. If the person does not know what they are doing, they can damage the paint finish.

Kind of like a person that cuts and polishes diamonds or jewels. It takes a person with experience, takes time, and can be expensive.

You are correct.

jr3

Here's a few videos below of the Bentley factory that addresses part of their paint process, paint issues, and orange peel.

Yes, even Bentley can have orange peel... As said before, they have to "polish it out" to get the "mirror like finish".



^ 115 color choices! ... That would be like a kid in a candy store if the Vette had that many paint colors.



In the video below if you want to skip to the paint part, click on 23:23 to jump to the paint shop.



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The paint polish process removes 2/3 of the clear coat.
- Bentley paint shop

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Thank you sir. I wonder to "whom" at GM this petition would go to; or at least to which department? BTW, thank YOU for your effort and contribution to generate this petition. Whether it will result in any course of action or not, we shall see; but at least you were proactive and tried to get something accomplished.

jagamajajaran

The appropriate parties are already set up by change.org. It is my plan to also add specific key individual's email addresses once I secure them. Once added, those individuals will receive the petition as well. If anyone has direct email addresses to individuals that should receive the petition, feel free to PM them to me. I have a few email addresses, but am looking for a few more that seem to be harder to locate, particularly plant management.

Should there be no direct response by the NCM 20th Anniversary Celebration at the end of August, I will hand deliver the petition to the appropriate parties at that time.

Translator

If any changes are implemented, I am hoping that they are done so prior to my 15 being built in August.

Scoobydoobydoo

Just added my name to the petition, glad to help. Even though I have my doubts on how effective this will be we need to at least try and make a difference. Look at what happened the past 2 Presidential elections when a majority of us didn't bother to get and vote. Enough said

Scoobydoobydoo

Really Dude ??? Every post you make either bashes the car or the owners. Why don't you just go troll somewhere else. Pretty easy being a hero behind a keyboard. BTW Walmart called and asked if you could come in early. Their other door greater called out sick.

Torch Red C7

I guess I don't get it. Didn't you look at the car before you bought it? Why would you purchase a car that has paint that bothers you that much? Even if you ordered the car, you didn't have to accept it and if it was in stock, you saw the car before you began the purchase process. If you sold someone a used car that the customer had thoroughly inspected, would you even entertain that person coming back later on and demanding you fix the paint? Just the fact that the C7 is flying out of dealers and a rapid pace means that most people don't really have a problem with the paint.

BMadden

My C7 was just built last week and is currently at status 4B00 which means it's in the bay waiting for shipping. Honestly, if it comes with OP as bad as some of the vehicles I've seen in this thread I don't think I will accept it. I've bought 'Vettes from this dealer in the past and we have a very good relationship so I'm pretty sure he would be cool about it. The only other option would be to see if it could be professionally sanded and polished, but I hope it doesn't come to that.

beepster

Some of us purchased from a Forum Dealer from online pics with the (reasonable) expectation that the car would pass quality control inspections normally expected on a $60M+ car. Moreover, many of us expected a certain level of scrutiny and inspection from the dealer prior to delivery. We did so because we were not able to inspect the car personally (because of geographic constraints) and were unable to get the vehicle locally because of dealer allocations.

Having said all that, I agree the basic doctrine of caveat emptor applies and I accept full responsibility for my purchase of a car with inferior paint quality. However, that does not relieve the manufacturer from being guilty of what is just flat *** poor workmanship. Chevrolet Motor Division should be embarrassed that their "flagship" is coming from the factory with such poor paint quality. Every car on the street is a rolling billboard.

hawkgfr

I rode to a reasonably large dealer today to look at his Corvettes again a little more closely. I was last there 4-6 weeks ago. He has 18 Vettes and I basically looked for orange peel this time.


While I make my living doing inspection is it made to print specialty parts and not paint and m y eyes are 58 now but I did wear my glasses.


Almost every car has some, but none were close to the examples at the top of this page.

As I saw it RED, well Torch red, was the smoothest but Chrystal red was not followed by black as being the best.. White looked good but its harder to see on white than any other color and the three they had all had some.. (at least in my opinion) Really very consistent and the hoods looked the best imo, or had the least amount.

Honestly with all the edges angles on the car I didn't see any that needed to be wet sanded and I'm **** enough to see good paint I think. I do know whoever wets sands better have all the tools cause they are are many edges that will easily be sanded through..


I am sure now that black looks best on the rear as well just for gee whiz...


Most all of his cars are 2 and 3lt's and they had 10 or so verts...



good luck on your quest.