GOLD72

I have been spinning on oil filters for over 45 years and never had one leak on me that I installed. I did have a Quick Lube dept at a dealership fail to tighten the filter adequately on two separate occasions only to have the gasket start leaking in 2 or 3 weeks when thermal cycling loosened it enough to leak. I got 5 free changes with the car purchase. Been leery of those free changes ever since. Then I have seen filters installed at the assembly plant so tight that a gorilla must have done it.

nh_mark

Big Dan 427

It seems that many here are violating the rules of the CF forum on a daily basis.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/foru...conflicts.html

Amazing how some will rat on someone that goes against their grain but will allow constant disregard of rules with their buddies.

Higgs Boson

Does it really amaze you? Compare it to regular everyday life, work life, politics, etc and you will see it is no different.

Tommy D

Last time I checked a forum was a place to exchange ideas.It seems that we have lost the art of allowing someone to have a different opinion than our own.

Oh & btw I am one of those old guys you know the type..... forgot more stuff than most of you younger guys will ever know

off soak box & on with the bickering

Big Dan 427

Good point Higgs. It just seems like there is a double standard, but I guess like you said just as in life.

Tommy you nailed it. Nothing like a good old fashioned debate, until the gang mentality sets in b/c they dislike the direction of the topic.

ATX-C7

gthal

I think this comment ignores the real issue Dan. Maybe I'm way out to lunch on this but, in my view, this isn't a gang mentality thing. It isn't a real debate either. The issue is, in my view, that some people are making broad brushed claims (or, at least, insinuating) that there are issues with the car based on a single event (or some isolated events). Furthermore, there is a history of making unsubstantiated, broad brushed criticisms from the same small group of members over a long period of time. When challenged, the challenges are avoided, talked around in circles and not really addressed... hence no real debate and a feeling by many that some are here to promote a personal agenda and "troll." Whether that is true or not is another discussion all together... it may not be true but it sure looks like it to many.

So, in my view, it isn't that people dislike the direction of the discussion as much as it is the frustration felt by many people regarding how certain members choose to bash without real evidence, are continuously critical and then ignore or deflect any evidence or requests to back up their comments. These people then pull the "kool-aid" card as some sort of justification why everyone else has it wrong and are blinded to the truth. Well, the truth is that there is no kool-aid issue but, IMO, the real issue is that some people have an agenda or dislike for the car and can't let it go. But, that's just my own position based on my personal bias and I recognize that (although I'm right ).

If you think about it, this thread should have been about discussing and helping the OP deal with their specific issue on their specific car. Instead, it was turned into a broad "C7 fail" discussion... that is far beyond the scope of the issue at hand, a very premature and completely unsubstantiated conclusion, and something that happens far too often here and often started by the same people... which is the source of the frustration IMO.

Having said that, both sides of the "debate" could absolutely be better at keeping it less personal.

Big Dan 427

I don't want to respond with a long winded dialogue Heath but I will say the whole data concept is pure nonsense, to have real data you'd have to interview every single owner and that's impossible.

You mention how topics get off base, well the fellow that wrote up that fantastic write up about his VIR experience basically quit b/c of a few comments even though they may have been misconstrued and some apologies were offered.

You are right in that we can all do a better job of interacting and everyone needs to remember that all opinions are always going to be agreed upon.

Snorman

Bingo. Post #196 perfectly illustrates Skid's ongoing attempt to mislead people who are genuinely asking for info based on a single video in which he clearly doesn't even understand what a flashing light in the instrument cluster represents.
This is in addition to his constant attempts to insult actual C7 owners for paying MSRP and buying first-year cars.

He brings nothing, nada, zilch to this section. And he's not alone.
S.

droideka

JFC! can we all STFU and move on?

i love the fast-paced discussions, overload of relevant/pertinent info and active participation at CF (much greater than the other C7 boards), but GTFO with everyone acting like See You Next Tuesdays every GD day.

jackhall99

Can you lace it with any more cussing acronyms?

You added nothing of value.

JetMechZ16

I read about 7 pages of you all whining while a very few tried to offer advice. Grow up girls!

If the dealer gives you the car back with no resolution to the problem try and reproduce the events that lead up to it initially blowing oil. You want the same eng temps, oil temps, rate of acceleration etc. See if it will do it again, sooner rather than later. You want to find this out now, before you've had the car too long.

I'm guessing here as so many others have done, but I would suggest as a possibility that the oil is coming from the dipstic and over pressurization of the crankcase is the cause. If it does it again check to see if the dipstic is seated correctly. If not it could be related to the PCV system and the crankcase is not being vented properly, causing the dipstic to blow out of its seated position and taking a couple of quarts of oil with it.

Just a thought, hope you find your problem.

droideka

and your value-add was what exactly? you missed the best one. perhaps there's a reason for that.

Woodson

nh_mark

LOL

hope2

my money is on something dumb and simple like the oil fill cap, and dealer doesn't want to own up. whatever it was, it won't happen again, IMOP.

Slappy3243

You don't need to interview every member to get data. Just like anything else, you need a big enough sample size to draw a conclusion from. Right now, there are not even enough C7's on the road to do so and they haven't been out long enough for problems to be reported to dealers in enough quantity to come to the conclusion whether a problem is prevalent or isolated in nature. So when people ask for data to back up these silly assertions that the C7 is just a bunch of fail, we are really asking, "how the heck can you come to that conclusion so early in the life of this vehicle?". Wait until a year after production and view the reports and look for trends. That is where the data comes from. I think that is what is frustrating to many of us.

Big Dan 427

Slappy you have always seemed to be a level headed and fair guy so let me ask you a simple question.

For the same reason you just suggested regarding how can the C7 be determined a FAIL how in the hell can it be determined a SUCCESS?

Now if you are the fair guy I think you are than you'll say you can't and you won't go into some tangent that "all the mags say it is" or some other rant about how superior it is.

Just like you state frustration some of us realists feel that the car also cannot be deemed king of the hill after 6 months, am I right?

I do know this, on a daily basis the front page of the C7 section is loaded with thread topics of disgust by owners who are miffed with their cars, and that is a fact my friend!

hawkgfr

Yes that happens a lot as well. Its like the factory used a cheater bar on them to tighten.