C7 Nurburgring time
11-28-2013, 08:34 AM
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Because it will be important for the C7 to get it's "best" time relative to the 911S. The 911S would have been tested in optimal conditions and the C7 will need to as well. If they published "compromised" times with a caveat, that will still be compared to the 911S in ideal conditions. The Z28 has no direct benchmark really and is very low volume for GM... so, the very strong time in less than ideal conditions can be posted with the caveat that they could be even faster. VERY different marketing objectives and, therefore, very different need to get the C7 time under ideal conditions if the benchmark is the 911S. Keep in mind, they have bettered the 911S in every timed track test that has been published... you would expect nothing different at the 'Ring... GM wants the best conditions to get the correct spread between the cars.
All speculation at this point but that's all we have
All speculation at this point but that's all we have
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11-28-2013, 08:47 AM
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curious to commentors on here to who this is important....... how many track your cars? Seems to me unless you are doing some serious racing what would it matter? I track my car very modestly, I'm not a die hard but it does not matter to me if I run 140 or 150 down the straight away.
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
11-28-2013, 08:52 AM
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curious to commentors on here to who this is important....... how many track your cars? Seems to me unless you are doing some serious racing what would it matter? I track my car very modestly, I'm not a die hard but it does not matter to me if I run 140 or 150 down the straight away.
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
For those of us who do track our cars how versatile a car is on a road course is important. I feel the same way about drag racing, it means nothing to me especially for those who drive automatics, anyone can point and shoot. 
11-28-2013, 10:26 AM
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curious to commentors on here to who this is important....... how many track your cars? Seems to me unless you are doing some serious racing what would it matter? I track my car very modestly, I'm not a die hard but it does not matter to me if I run 140 or 150 down the straight away.
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
Each to their own..... I just don't see the value of saying gee my car is X fast if you are a waxer or garage queen?
I get about 40 to 50 hours a year on the track. For me it matters but, even then, the car is more capable than I actually "need", but the track times simply help to put the capability of the car at the track in perspective compared to other cars.
11-28-2013, 12:38 PM
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11-28-2013, 12:46 PM
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Right; driven by a professional driver on a track that he has memorized and that is in great condition. How does this translate to real world roads where the surface conditions can be vastly different than the track condition where a best effort lap time was set, where the corners and braking points are not memorized, and where the vast majority of drivers don't corner their cars at the limit?
11-28-2013, 01:12 PM
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Curiously, has anyone ever bought a product based on its ratings/performance? Maybe a microwave, tv, smart phone etc. To say the data and results a "sports car" gets be it driven by a pro or not has no worth makes no sense. Isn't it fair to say that is a pro can run one car faster than another an amateur most likely will also run that faster car better than the other? Yes track data means a lot, and not bragging rights!
11-28-2013, 01:22 PM
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Does Chevrolet spend a ton of money testing and setting times at Nurburgring just for fun and giggles? Hardly. Within the competitive sports car market the time established there has meaning and significance, if only for "bragging rights".
11-28-2013, 01:23 PM
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11-28-2013, 01:26 PM
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How does this translate to real world roads where the surface conditions can be vastly different than the track condition where a best effort lap time was set, where the corners and braking points are not memorized, and where the vast majority of drivers don't corner their cars at the limit?
It is not intended to translate to the above, and it doesn't need to; Performance is performance, and there are many who are interested in it. Some drive on racetracks, some don't. Why have 460hp? Why have a e-diff? Why have track-ready tires and brakes? Why have an oil cooler, a trans cooler, and a diff cooler? Why have a lap timer? Why talk about track times at all? Why engineer the C7 with any of this in mind? Simply because it's something that interests us.
Driving on a country road, out for a Sunday drive, and not pushing near the limit has its own rewards as well as its own metrics for performance and enjoyability, and can be discussed without bringing up absolute lap times.
Why attempt to tell a group of thread viewers discussing Ring times, that their performance metrics don't matter and can only be discussed in the light of how it translates to a Sunday drive?
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11-28-2013, 01:30 PM
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Yes sir! What I'm saying is whether we are buying a chainsaw or a sports car we all want to know about its diverse capabilities and performance. And I would never discuss anything performance wise at any place but a road course where a car can flex its muscles to the drivers maximum ability.
11-28-2013, 01:32 PM
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It is not intended to translate to the above, and it doesn't need to; Performance is performance, and there are many who are interested in it. Some drive on racetracks, some don't. Why have 460hp? Why have a e-diff? Why have track-ready tires and brakes? Why have an oil cooler, a trans cooler, and a diff cooler? Why have a lap timer? Why talk about track times at all? Why engineer the C7 with any of this in mind? Simply because it's something that interests us.
Driving on a country road, out for a Sunday drive, and not pushing near the limit has its own rewards as well as its own metrics for performance and enjoyability, and can be discussed without bringing up absolute lap times.
Why attempt to tell a group of thread viewers discussing Ring times, that their performance metrics don't matter and can only be discussed in the light of how it translates to a Sunday drive?
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Driving on a country road, out for a Sunday drive, and not pushing near the limit has its own rewards as well as its own metrics for performance and enjoyability, and can be discussed without bringing up absolute lap times.
Why attempt to tell a group of thread viewers discussing Ring times, that their performance metrics don't matter and can only be discussed in the light of how it translates to a Sunday drive?
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