C7 Navigation System: $795 POS
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#43
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Navigation sucks
So here we are with our wonderful, new TR C7 ready to take a little road trip from Moab to Salt Lake City, UT. Go out to the car and enter the destination address and like magic the route appears, 5 hrs 01 min, 303 miles. WTF? It has taken just about the longest and dumbest way to get to SLC. Just like our C6 POS nav system did. And yes the system is setup correctly! I complained to GM/Chevy back in 2009. Glad they decided to keep the same routing algorithms. Even the shortest route was listed as 5 hrs 23 min, 238 miles. (Which unlike the C6 the routing choices are a PITA to get to). And the C7 Nav system even has many highway and road speed limits built into it's data base.
So I again compared it to other Nav software: Delorme Street Atlas, iMaps, Google Maps, and the Nav system in my 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee. All displayed the same and shortest route as the quickest.
Average 4 hrs 14 min, 239 miles.
So looks like I will be looking for a RAM mount for my iPhone so I can have a dependable turn by turn routing device available. Pretty sad for a $75,000 vehicle. Thanks again GM.
So I again compared it to other Nav software: Delorme Street Atlas, iMaps, Google Maps, and the Nav system in my 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee. All displayed the same and shortest route as the quickest.
Average 4 hrs 14 min, 239 miles.
So looks like I will be looking for a RAM mount for my iPhone so I can have a dependable turn by turn routing device available. Pretty sad for a $75,000 vehicle. Thanks again GM.
The ETA was way off and equivalent to about 50 miles an hour road speed on four lane.
I have had factory nav on at least 7 or 8 cars and this is by far the worst. No confidence
On the positive side, the voice recognition worked great and it was simple and quick to set destinations, but the end result and execution really leaves a lot to be desired. The screen looks real pretty, though. Just my two cents. Very disappointed, but love the car.
#44
Go look at some of Nav. systems on Aston martin's or Ferrari's then you would be happy with the C7 Nav. Plus it's much easier to use the Nav. on your iphone anyways.
And name me another $75,000 car that offers the total package as a C7 does??
And name me another $75,000 car that offers the total package as a C7 does??
#45
Melting Slicks
Amen brother! The sky is falling and were going to get a class action against GM for the car not being perfect. I love these end of the world threads.
#46
Melting Slicks
The C7 nav is world class with traffic and accident updates and onstar app destination downloading. It is eerily similar to the Pioneer Avic Z3 with nav traffic and high definition screen. I love it.
#47
Drifting
That's a bit distressing to hear.
The nav in my Z is easy to use and seems to be VERY accurate. I speed a lot so the times are usually incorrect but easy to understand why .
In contrast--discussing nav systems that suck--my wife's Cooper S nav is the pits ! It routes crazy and if you decide to take a route you know to be shorter than the route it has listed, the "b" won't shut up. It never reroutes...she just keeps repeating to make a legal u-turn and go HER way. I talked my wife into getting it because the one in my Z is a dream.
For all the advocates of the Garmin "stick-on", I guess I'm a bit stuck up. I just can't see having a gorgeous car like the C7 and sticking something tacky on the dash or windshield. That "look", IMO, is reserved for Pintos and Tercels. (but, to each their own)
I use my nav system even when I know where I'm going a lot of the time. I like having a pretty good idea how many minutes I am from my destination. Sometimes, I just like to call up stored destinations because doing various errands and getting to the next place the fastest way is easier left up to the (trustworthy) nav.
Maybe GM will make some changes...? From what I hear, I shouldn't expect anything soon but crossing my fingers.
Sigh...
The nav in my Z is easy to use and seems to be VERY accurate. I speed a lot so the times are usually incorrect but easy to understand why .
In contrast--discussing nav systems that suck--my wife's Cooper S nav is the pits ! It routes crazy and if you decide to take a route you know to be shorter than the route it has listed, the "b" won't shut up. It never reroutes...she just keeps repeating to make a legal u-turn and go HER way. I talked my wife into getting it because the one in my Z is a dream.
For all the advocates of the Garmin "stick-on", I guess I'm a bit stuck up. I just can't see having a gorgeous car like the C7 and sticking something tacky on the dash or windshield. That "look", IMO, is reserved for Pintos and Tercels. (but, to each their own)
I use my nav system even when I know where I'm going a lot of the time. I like having a pretty good idea how many minutes I am from my destination. Sometimes, I just like to call up stored destinations because doing various errands and getting to the next place the fastest way is easier left up to the (trustworthy) nav.
Maybe GM will make some changes...? From what I hear, I shouldn't expect anything soon but crossing my fingers.
Sigh...
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#50
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Can it find a race track ? The C6 NAV can't. Hard to believe that a performance vehicle can't locate a race track.
#51
Race Director
I have actually had my Garmin take me on some strange routes to save what the algorithm must have determined to be a shorter route. Not long ago I was routed over a crappy, narrow, broken country road that paralleled a major state highway for miles, often within sight of it. I found it pays to pre determine my routes using Google Maps or another facility,
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#53
Race Car Tech
I don't know why as consumers we should have to tolerate compromised technology. For crying out loud, this has been a known software issue for years that GM has forced us to live with. I know since I reported this problem in 2009. But WTF, it's only money. Imagine the hue and cry if Apple or Google failed to fix a problem like this.
Anyway, night night. Off early to SLC to check out PFADT's headers and tune.
If I don't get lost.
Anyway, night night. Off early to SLC to check out PFADT's headers and tune.
If I don't get lost.
The C7 NAV has a great looking display, you must admit...
#54
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I have no issues with the Nav. Works just fine.
I have always made a habit of using it even going to places I know how to get to. This gives me an idea of how it works and the little nuances.
To me integrated NAV has always been the way to go.
I have always made a habit of using it even going to places I know how to get to. This gives me an idea of how it works and the little nuances.
To me integrated NAV has always been the way to go.
#55
I love my C7.I did NOT order the nav.I have it on my 2014 Silverado and my 2013 SRX.I really can,t believe GM still puts out such a crap Nav. system in their car and trucks.Mine have all the problems that are stated above.Very very sad.
My on star is very good. but my Garmin is still by far the best.
GM get on the stick.
My on star is very good. but my Garmin is still by far the best.
GM get on the stick.
#56
What I really wish is that the display(s) in the car could just act as added monitors for my phone or tablet.
Actually, would be better to just make a standardized spot to plug a tablet on the dash like a Surface (or an iPad if you must). Then you could always upgrade the software. 3rd parties could make better hardware. Car companies could get out of the software business, and consumers would not be locked into whatever software ecosystem the car company cut a deal with.
Look at the innovation in phones that comes from the competition and consumer choice available of hardware vendors, software, and app ecosystems.
Actually, would be better to just make a standardized spot to plug a tablet on the dash like a Surface (or an iPad if you must). Then you could always upgrade the software. 3rd parties could make better hardware. Car companies could get out of the software business, and consumers would not be locked into whatever software ecosystem the car company cut a deal with.
Look at the innovation in phones that comes from the competition and consumer choice available of hardware vendors, software, and app ecosystems.
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#58
Melting Slicks
I think the $795 price isn't really out of line.
Let's compare the superior navigation (Google maps over 3G) in the optional Audi MMI Plus system for the RS5. What you get:
DVD player
HD Radio™ Technology
Audi side assist
Rear view camera
Color driver information system
Voice control system
Audi MMI® Navigation plus
The Price you pay: $4000. Sure that has a couple things the C7 doesn't have, but what they also don't clearly advertise is that you have to purchase a data plan for that 3G SIM card, and hope that you are in a coverage area, or thought ahead to download your area to the HDD. Reports are that a standard SIM will work for some of the features of the system, but for everything you need the Audi provided SIM. The Audi connect plan is $450/30 months, or $30/month.
To me the ever popular argument of a phone/tablet is a moot point. When I drive my Corvettes the only thing I want stuck to the dash or window is my radar detector, and in reality I would rather that be integrated into the car elsewhere. In my C6 I was fumbling with my phone since there was no bluetooth audio streaming or SPP for steering wheel controls and that sucked.
However, the great thing is, we have the option to buy the NAV, or not. At least it wasn't bundled into a package like the Audi at a really high price where many of those features are standard in the C7.
Let's compare the superior navigation (Google maps over 3G) in the optional Audi MMI Plus system for the RS5. What you get:
DVD player
HD Radio™ Technology
Audi side assist
Rear view camera
Color driver information system
Voice control system
Audi MMI® Navigation plus
The Price you pay: $4000. Sure that has a couple things the C7 doesn't have, but what they also don't clearly advertise is that you have to purchase a data plan for that 3G SIM card, and hope that you are in a coverage area, or thought ahead to download your area to the HDD. Reports are that a standard SIM will work for some of the features of the system, but for everything you need the Audi provided SIM. The Audi connect plan is $450/30 months, or $30/month.
To me the ever popular argument of a phone/tablet is a moot point. When I drive my Corvettes the only thing I want stuck to the dash or window is my radar detector, and in reality I would rather that be integrated into the car elsewhere. In my C6 I was fumbling with my phone since there was no bluetooth audio streaming or SPP for steering wheel controls and that sucked.
However, the great thing is, we have the option to buy the NAV, or not. At least it wasn't bundled into a package like the Audi at a really high price where many of those features are standard in the C7.
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