C7 v C6 427 Vert
11-05-2013, 11:36 AM
#41
Drifting
Plus, (& unlike SRT,) GM still gives you a five year, 100k mile warranty on such a powerful engine, and they stood by those with the cylinder head issue, some even out of warranty, replacing them as necessary. For one such as myself who has no need or intention to mod the engine (high 11's on the street is more than I can use anyways,) I haven't read anything that would deter me from one.
I think this is too early to debate. I think the fair comparison would be a C7 Z51 Convertible vs. the 427 Convertible. Ironically, Chevrolet in their brochures shows 0-60 times for both of them at 3.8 sec. I would guess that the C7 Z51 Convertible would be the better car with it's more rigid frame and new technology.
11-05-2013, 11:39 AM
#42
Team Owner
What problems? The only major issue I've read about was the cylinder head subcontractor issue from 2008 to 2011. Aside from trying to further hop up an already 505hp hand-built motor with say a camshaft (as if a .591" (15mm) exhaust lift is not already high enough,) or supercharger, (there is a reason why GM didn't use that block for the LS9 engine (cylinder wall thickness,)) what problems does the LS7 have inherent to it? Don't be silly-stupid and I can't imagine that it wouldn't be one of the best motors Chevy has ever built!
Plus, (& unlike SRT,) GM still gives you a five year, 100k mile warranty on such a powerful engine, and they stood by those with the cylinder head issue, some even out of warranty, replacing them as necessary. For one such as myself who has no need or intention to mod the engine (high 11's on the street is more than I can use anyways,) I haven't read anything that would deter me from one.
Plus, (& unlike SRT,) GM still gives you a five year, 100k mile warranty on such a powerful engine, and they stood by those with the cylinder head issue, some even out of warranty, replacing them as necessary. For one such as myself who has no need or intention to mod the engine (high 11's on the street is more than I can use anyways,) I haven't read anything that would deter me from one.
11-05-2013, 11:42 AM
#43
Drifting
To me the 427 Vert is the ultimate C6 because I love Convertibles and don't like Fixed Roofs.
C7 definitely has a better interior, they both look equally great from the front...although I still prefer the C6 from the back however if I had the 75k+ to spend on one...I'd go with the C7 right now because it's the new model in about 10 years or less I'm betting the C6 will be more desirable like a 67 vert is more desirable then a 68'.
btw...the C6 is the faster car.
C7 definitely has a better interior, they both look equally great from the front...although I still prefer the C6 from the back however if I had the 75k+ to spend on one...I'd go with the C7 right now because it's the new model in about 10 years or less I'm betting the C6 will be more desirable like a 67 vert is more desirable then a 68'.
btw...the C6 is the faster car.
Last edited by F&Yb0dluvr; 11-05-2013 at 11:47 AM.
11-05-2013, 12:06 PM
#44
Team Owner
Go drive both. C7 has a much nicer interior, better materials, no hot tunnel, better shifting, rev matching, much better stereo, better hud, and the list goes on. For something to drive and enjoy the c7 is much better IMO. If it is just a weekend cruiser/carshow ride then the 427 vert may fit your needs better. Even things like the cooled seats are enough for me to go c7.
Go drive both. If power is the only complaint it is easy to add power later.
Go drive both. If power is the only complaint it is easy to add power later.
11-05-2013, 02:09 PM
#45
Melting Slicks
There is no question in my mind that the 427 C6 Vert is the queen of the C6 Fleet. The C6 Zr1 & Z06 cars are a close second.
But, everyone is still comparing Z51 C7 to the top performing C6's. To what end? Kind of silly to waste ink on this subject. Assuming Chevy brings out the new Z07/Z06 engine in a C7 vert, there will simply be no comparison of the two cars.
Long term values on C6 cars? I have to believe the C6 will be viewed as a stair step between C5 and C7. As such, it will not do well in 10-20 years, let alone 30. The C5 is distinctive, for better or for worse, and the C7 is likewise distinctive, just as the C2's were very distinctive.
Likewise, the C4 is now viewed as a stair step between the early Corvette era and the modern era. It was groundbreaking in many ways at the time, especially so with the ZR1's, but they were so eclipsed by these modern era cars that they simply will not hold value to any degree.
Don't get me wrong, it is entirely possible that the C8 will eclipse the C7, but even if the C8 goes to the extremes of Lambo-like styling, the C7 is a complete break with the past and will likely be held in esteem as the first step on a new international level plateau, not a mere stair step like the C4 & C6.
But, everyone is still comparing Z51 C7 to the top performing C6's. To what end? Kind of silly to waste ink on this subject. Assuming Chevy brings out the new Z07/Z06 engine in a C7 vert, there will simply be no comparison of the two cars.
Long term values on C6 cars? I have to believe the C6 will be viewed as a stair step between C5 and C7. As such, it will not do well in 10-20 years, let alone 30. The C5 is distinctive, for better or for worse, and the C7 is likewise distinctive, just as the C2's were very distinctive.
Likewise, the C4 is now viewed as a stair step between the early Corvette era and the modern era. It was groundbreaking in many ways at the time, especially so with the ZR1's, but they were so eclipsed by these modern era cars that they simply will not hold value to any degree.
Don't get me wrong, it is entirely possible that the C8 will eclipse the C7, but even if the C8 goes to the extremes of Lambo-like styling, the C7 is a complete break with the past and will likely be held in esteem as the first step on a new international level plateau, not a mere stair step like the C4 & C6.
11-05-2013, 02:20 PM
#46
ZR1 top dog IMHO.
11-05-2013, 02:41 PM
#49
Melting Slicks
I don't disagree. I said queen of the fleet, not best performing car. There is a difference.
Which will most likely become the most highly valued collectors car in 20 years? Depending on volumes produced, which I have no knowledge of, I would lean towards the 427 Vert.
These are not absolutes. Lots of people bought the "King of the Hill" C4 ZR1's thinking they were a sure fire collector car. Couldn't have been more wrong. But in the mid 90's such predictions on here would also have brought forth extremely heated disagreement.
The lowest total volume produced and the big engine vert aspect often historically have proven to be the the real predictors of long term collector desirability.
Which will most likely become the most highly valued collectors car in 20 years? Depending on volumes produced, which I have no knowledge of, I would lean towards the 427 Vert.
These are not absolutes. Lots of people bought the "King of the Hill" C4 ZR1's thinking they were a sure fire collector car. Couldn't have been more wrong. But in the mid 90's such predictions on here would also have brought forth extremely heated disagreement.
The lowest total volume produced and the big engine vert aspect often historically have proven to be the the real predictors of long term collector desirability.
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11-05-2013, 02:45 PM
#51
Banned Scam/Spammer
11-05-2013, 02:50 PM
#52
C4s are at the bottom of the "depreciation then appreciation" cycle Corvettes and some other cars go through. The C4 ZR-1 with its unique engine (like C6 ZR1 in that regard) is, in fact, a collector's car and will continue to be so.
11-05-2013, 05:30 PM
#54
11-05-2013, 05:34 PM
#55
That's a good question... I bet not many but the fear makes the issue seem significant. I have a good friend whose LS7 failed while driving on the track. He spun out and his car caught on fire. He ended up getting out and was fine but it changed his perspective on HPDE days, that's for sure. And that's the issue... the fear of it happening regardless of how likely is significant given the downside.
P.S. He didn't replace his Z06 but, instead, is now tracking a GS because of his experience.
P.S. He didn't replace his Z06 but, instead, is now tracking a GS because of his experience.
11-05-2013, 06:19 PM
#56
If I had to pick one, it would be a 427 convertible because it represents pretty much the very best C6 vettes had to offer...and it's a convertible. Plus, it is available at a discount. Ask me again years down the road when the C7 has been perfected and I would choose the C7. I am not the type to jump on early initial model year cars. Just one guys take.
Last edited by Paulchristian; 11-05-2013 at 06:22 PM.
11-05-2013, 07:25 PM
#58
The 427 vert just isn't different enough from my existing '05 vert which looks essentially the same and has the same old steel frame and electronics. I certainly wouldn't get it just because it has a LS7 since I couldn't take it on a track anyway. Plus, I want to keep my LeMans blue vert.
I'm getting a used C7 in a year or two and will be getting a coupe w/auto this time.
I'm getting a used C7 in a year or two and will be getting a coupe w/auto this time.
11-05-2013, 07:46 PM
#59
Race Director
Plenty have. The scary part is reading about all the people who've pulled heads and done "wiggle tests" etc....the amount of worn valve guides is sickening.
One day while changing the oil on my former 2006 Z06 I found metal chunks (way bigger then anything I've ever seen in my life in any car I've ever changed oil on).....my LS7 was disintegrating...time to sell it before getting stuck with a 15k repair bill.
When it comes to Z06's.....buyer beware, and be ready to replace the heads with a quality set if buying used.
One day while changing the oil on my former 2006 Z06 I found metal chunks (way bigger then anything I've ever seen in my life in any car I've ever changed oil on).....my LS7 was disintegrating...time to sell it before getting stuck with a 15k repair bill.
When it comes to Z06's.....buyer beware, and be ready to replace the heads with a quality set if buying used.
