themonk

You seriously don't get it do you, I really don't know just how many times I have to repeat myself, it's getting tiresome really. One last time:

I like the Corvette because of how it makes ME feel when I drive it, not how it makes the writer of a CD or RT article feel, HOW I FEEL. I don't give a crap if there is a car that's cheaper, that's faster or has more legroom or cargo area, has NAV. The C7 to ME is priced right, looks great, has awesome performance and fits MY needs. The Stingray is the car that I want, the car that I bought and the car that I will enjoy for a very long time just like the other two Corvettes that I have owned.

With that being said why don't you stop trying to trip me up with my own words, I've been saying the exact same thing since we first started communicating and no matter how many times you quote me, no matter how far back you look you will never find something that contradicts my position on why I bought the C7, I welcome you to try but it will be a waste of your time.

Notch

No.

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I've offered you some food for thought regarding bragging. Hopefully you'll consider it in the days ahead.

themonk

Honestly, you really haven't offered me anything, not that you're wrong but like I said, you live your life how you like and I'll live mine.

Viper_Vette

You see one 911 You seen them all. Very boring car to look at. A cayman is a chicks car too.

Guibo

Here in this thread you're claiming it's how the car makes you feel, yet in another thread, you blast the magazine testers for printing in their own magazine their own results of cars that they have put together for comparison, on track time that they've paid for, simply because you only care about numbers. And while people like Notch and myself have been saying that subjectivity matters, you seem to be fighting that concept tooth and nail, distilling the sports car experience into a purely competitive event:
You didn't answer the question: Did the guy with the green Porsche in the video I posted not seem like a car guy to you?

Brilliant. Now tell me who here has said that a car is just something to transport people.
I get that some people are immature. You've already admitted to engaging in that behavior. But just because you do, that doesn't mean other people don't, and there could be (and are) perfectly valid reasons for choosing to buy, own, and drive (yes, often quite fast) a sports car. That doesn't make them any less of a "car guy." Just because you have to race someone else doesn't mean you're a car guy. An egotistical banker in his (insert premium-brand mega-hp luxobarge) unable to control his urge to exert his supposed superiority over a Civic by "racing" him from a light is not necessarily anymore of a "car guy" than the one in the Civic (who may have rebuilt his engine in his own garage, but feels no compunction to "race" through crowded intersections). Speaking of which, with a comment like this:

You're not one to talk about perceived slights of social self-superiority.

rcallen484

Opened this thread, first time in a long time, and the first words I read are, "You just don't get it, do you..." Isn't that where it was after the 3rd post in every thread ever dealing with this topic. It is truly like Groundhog Day on steroids

VRMMMM

The as tested price for the VW beetle is what?????

straightedge442

The 911 is starting to look bland, and the Corvette is far more attractive, but the Porsche is beautiful compared to the washing machine Nissan calls a "GT-R".

DEciiBel

This is a great thread. A bit frayed but still usable. In it we have found that a number of folks have transcended ego and have become humble through a lengthy inculcation derived from upbringing and the grinding away of life.
POOH!
I like my car. It's a really pretty color, has sparkly bits, tinting and gets unsolicited favorable comments. It goes like heck, is relatively affordable, comfortable enough for my 66 Y/O body. The radio is adequate, the air conditioning suitable for my climate, and the roof comes off for the open air experience. ('08 blue coupe with chrome wheels, transparent roof and darkened windows, 2lt, Z51, six speed, Michelins (that are the one genuine expense))
It is a rampantly suitable vehicle for my ego and single life. It is freaking fun. It makes me feel zippy and is a constant bemusement to friends and family who feel that it either makes me cooler or an old fool.

I prefer the cooler image but I'm sure all the Porsche dudes think I'm a wannabe. I am not.

I was a veteran representative (and veteran myself) who represented my clients with fervor. I was the State's POW/MIA coordinator and assisted them with benefit applications. In that role I learned about the capturing nations and how they dealt with this segment of OUR society in America. The Japanese were blindly savage and the Germans were reasonable once the GI's were captured.

That is one reason why I will never own a Japanese car under any circumstances and have mere qualms about German vehicles. I figured I should declare this before I enter into the "Equations for Ownership" debate. You will not see me in GTR even if they were free. Although honesty must prevail here and I would sell it with extremely low mileage.

Porsches are ugly. They are Teutonic driving machines. Aiming to coddle the purchaser while making him feel potentially superior on a track. It is a form of uber mensch that drives their buyers.
You always knew for that money you could get a better driving car for the track. (A Cobra is a fine example of comparative value.) It always had the virtually useless rear seating which defined it's wasteful ways. It is expensive initially and maintenance is an economic nightmare.

I like my Corvette because it is affordable, reliable, easily repaired, customizable and is capable to do some tracking if I indulge.
DID I mention it was pretty?
I cruise mostly with the occasional spirited thrust near limits. I have no problem with the seating or that the car is 'plastic'. The interior is something that rarely enters into my consciousness beyond initial impressions. It sounds great and is quiet enough when I am out and about.

It is great for my ego which sits in the same place it always has. It's at the top of the pyramid for deciding what to do with disposal income. I temper myself to it's demands by looking for good value within the range of what is acceptable to it, for I am not rich. If I did not have an ego I would drive the Honda Odyssey the brothers on 'Car Talk' enthuse over.
If you admit the evidence, nobody drives these cars for any other reason then they want them. That's ego. Nobody in the Buddhist Temples EVER says they are humble. They do this by how they live. Anybody driving these cars aren't joining any Ashrams.
If you haven't TOSSED your trophies then they are important to you. If you mention your trophies then they are important to you.
They are proof that you succeeded in something that was important to you.
'Things' having importance is an indication that some shearing is required before you mention someone else's motivations in this regard as something to grow out of. Losing ego needs is not a growth experience in itself and is a BS excuse for acting smug.
Being overly concerned about getting unsolicited positive comments on a possession is not a sign of maturity. To this I agree.

I love it anyway and I like being the 'bomb' to my kids and the envy of family, friends and neighbors. I have what they desire. It freaking feels great, drives fine and makes me think I made the right buy, even when I wear raggedy shorts.

Porsche allows you to put the kiddie seat in when you want to do 140 to the exclusive Kiddie-Care center. It is a signature piece of increasingly STUPID conspicuous consumption. That is why it had ONE point in value. There is no excuse to purchase a POOPcher except as a mobile trinket. It's the way it is, right now, and I suspect this is a trend going forward. Did I mention it's ugly?
If you want this type of poor performance for the DOLLAR, GET THAT ITALIAN MARQUE. At least they look fine.

B747VET

There are so many things wrong with this post that I'm not even going to try and respond. Ego is a dangerous thing and a harmful thing.

Notch

Yep.

Guibo

Porsche allows you to put the kiddie seat in when you want to do the speed limit to school or the ballpark too. You have choices.
There was no Value category. There was As-Tested Price, an easily objectifiable quantity. The final score would be the closest thing there is to a Value category, which C&D used to have.
Cheapest car from that Italian marque starts at $50k on top of this 911, and the California doesn't look all that hot IMO.

Carnut12

Well said, could not have said it better myself.

JudgeNjury

I enjoyed the read..thanks

sam90lx

Great car Nissan has but looks like ***.

sweetcharity

Man....I don't care about that article, I don't care that the Vette can beat the 911 around any track....I am on the search for a 2012-13 991s because I happen to like...no, love the way they look. I have owned a couple previous p-cars with my last being an '07 turbo and I find myself after being through an '09 Aston V8V and a '12 C63, wishing I had just stayed with the Porsche. Does not mean that I don't think the new Vette is a great car...quite the contrary, I dig the new looks, love the new interior, I know what it can do (based on what I have read here and elsewhere) bang for buck etc...it is just not for me, simple as that. So I will be going with the ugly, boring, pos Porsche and loving it as much as you guys in the Vette camp love your new cars.

FastVette85

Glad to see the C7 won. And I'll say what most Corvette owners (including myself) are probably thinking in this thread: I wouldn't be caught dead in a snobby 911

JudgeNjury

The 911 is a nice car. Good luck with your purchase and thanks for sharing your perspective on the two cars @ on corvette forum.

Good to hear the perspective.

I prefer the corvette myself yet congratulate those who have differing opinions as we'll.

Krystal

I've often had the theory that the reason American cars like the Corvette often come up short in these tests vs the Germans is really not much more than the "snob" factor at work.

The reviewers, like the rest of us, can afford Chevys...... Corvettes are just a little too "pedestrian". At $50,000 they aren't quite "cheap" but they are within reach of virtually anyone with a decent job and willing to dig deep enough.

The Corvette is ALWAYS gonna have to be MUCH BETTER car to beat the "dream car" that costs $100,000+ ...... a little better won't get it done against dreams of the "good-life" where a new Porsche is as easy to buy for the reviewer as a new Camary is in reality.....that's a fantasy that puts the the more expensive Porsche in a lead before the engines are even fired up for a measured test.

Makes this review of the new Corvette as the better car just that much more impressive really.

skank

This is the very thing that Porsche fans have been dealing with regarding the Ferrari hiearchy over Porsche. The Porsche fans would always remind us Ferrari owners of the track dominance of Porsche over Ferrari. Of course we would just smile and watch the crowds gather around the Ferrari to drool while nobody paid any attention to the homely Porsche. Now that Corvette dominates both Ferrari and Porsche on the track, they have to quantify their purchase with touchy feely subjective analysis. The Car and Driver test mentions how the 911 simply disappears in the presence of the C7, yet the author gives the Porsche a 10 vs 8 for the Corvette in the exterior styling subjective ratings. That clearly makes no sense at all.