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Old 12-25-2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron Keating
Z51, definitely. The value in parts alone makes it a shockingly good deal.
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CVS had a shockingly good deal on Tampons last week. Although I can afford them I didn't buy them cause I don't use them!
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Originally Posted by drmustang
I have done a considerable amount of research and am quite conversant with what Z51 does and does NOT do, Thank You for your advice.

What I have attempted to point out is that the Z51 package is an indicated option for a very small group of
Corvette owners who track cars and actually need the additional cooling/lubrication and are willing to accept the negatives such as a significant amount of additional weight which obviously is not performance enhancing. This option is pointless for a toitally street driven car period. It is obvious that some believe that a C7 with Z51 is less of performance car. This is NOT the case and is flatly laughable.

It would appear that it is you who should do some research.
well you can do all the research you want but until you actually own a C7 with Z51 or by the very slim chance you were on the engineering team who designed it your opinion means jack squat. I can do research on the space shuttle but I can't tell you what it's like to fly in one. It's pathetic and quite frankly tiresome hearing all the negative comments about the Z51s done only by people who don't have it, funny, you don't hear people saying "Damn, I wish I never ordered Z51".....

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Does anyone feel like the z51 package is wasted on an automatic stingray? I mean is the auto stingray really worthy of track duty?
Old 12-25-2013, 02:27 PM
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I wonder why the cars GM has been giving to the major automotive magazines for test have the "Z51 with mag ride" options. Hmm all that extra weight and lack of performance?

The Magneto-rheological damper (mag ride) is (IMHO) the most major suspension technology advance in the last 20 years. It provides an infinite number of dampers in real time as a function of driving conditions. I think the Z51 is a personal choice, but the mag ride is a no brainer. Unfortunately they are coupled at this time. So, get them both or you are driving old suspension technology.
Old 12-25-2013, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by drmustang
CVS had a shockingly good deal on Tampons last week. Although I can afford them I didn't buy them cause I don't use them!
That is a weak argument or analogy, if you wish. You can do much better then that
Old 12-25-2013, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by themonk
well you can do all the research you want but until you actually own a C7 with Z51 or by the very slim chance you were on the engineering team who designed it your opinion means jack squat. .......funny, you don't hear people saying "Damn, I wish I never ordered Z51".....
So you have driven a z51 and base suspension cars back to back on the street and know first hand how poorly the base car performs in comparison , or you happen to moonlight on the engineering team who designed the car?


BTW, I havent heard anyone with the base set up say I should have got the z51..
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And the testosterone still rages......did not want it, did not get it and outside these forums, nobody cares.....
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Originally Posted by 455230
So you have driven a z51 and base suspension cars back to back on the street and know first hand how poorly the base car performs in comparison , or you happen to moonlight on the engineering team who designed the car?


BTW, I havent heard anyone with the base set up say I should have got the z51..


Because those who wanted Z51 bought it (for whatever their reason is regardless of the doctor's opinion on the validity of the reason) and those who didn't want Z51 didn't buy it. No one should be complaining either way IMO!!

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Can you guys stop fighting and answer my question please?
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Originally Posted by kreasonos
Can you guys stop fighting and answer my question please?
I like your style and thanks for the smack up side the head



Originally Posted by kreasonos
Does anyone feel like the z51 package is wasted on an automatic stingray? I mean is the auto stingray really worthy of track duty?
The auto would be fine for track duty... no reason it wouldn't be. LOTS of autos spend time at the track. Some people will believe otherwise but there is nothing to suggest the auto would not be great... transmission choice is purely preference IMO as GM would have ensured either would perform at the track. Z51 is, therefore, not a waste IMO on an auto.

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Originally Posted by 455230
So you have driven a z51 and base suspension cars back to back on the street and know first hand how poorly the base car performs in comparison , or you happen to moonlight on the engineering team who designed the car?


BTW, I havent heard anyone with the base set up say I should have got the z51..
ummmmm, OP is asking to get Z51 or not to, not to get base or not to, therefore I'm pretty sure he wants the opinion of people who actually OWN one not some armchair Rory Tate circle researcher who happened to read a few paragraphs about it in Popular Mechanics while waiting for for his wife to get him a Chai Latte in Chapters.

When you want info on which sportbike to buy do you request that info from some guy who rides a moped?
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Originally Posted by drmustang
CVS had a shockingly good deal on Tampons last week. Although I can afford them I didn't buy them cause I don't use them!
Haha!
I spit up my eggnog wen I red dis!
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Originally Posted by Glen e
And the testosterone still rages......did not want it, did not get it and outside these forums, nobody cares.....
Isn't that the truth. The testosterone induced "mine is better than yours" mentality is about as stupid as it gets. Your right, who cares.
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Originally Posted by 03SGVETTE
Haha!
I spit up my eggnog wen I red dis!
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Good to see someone here has a sense of humor!
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I have z51. I don't track my car but I do have spirited drives and I'm so glad I have it. I use it in spirited drives.

Plus my car is worth more!

Plus my car is more desireable with resale value since it has popular options!

Plus the car looks better with the spoiler and Z51 rims.


Mark
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Originally Posted by mark1107
I have z51. I don't track my car but I do have spirited drives and I'm so glad I have it. I use it in spirited drives.

Plus my car is worth more!

Plus my car is more desireable with resale value since it has popular options!

Plus the car looks better with the spoiler and Z51 rims.


Mark
Mark, is yours auto or manual?
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Originally Posted by kreasonos
Does anyone feel like the z51 package is wasted on an automatic stingray? I mean is the auto stingray really worthy of track duty?
That's a really good question, and I hope to have an answer regarding how well the A6 works during track duty in the next few months. My car just went down to my house in Florida and I am considering using it in place of my usual track car at an event or two in the spring (Sebring, Roebling, Barber or Daytona). The concern, of course, would be tranny fluid temps. However, with the additional, thermostatically controlled transmission cooling I 'think' fluid temps will be in check. Another thing to bear in mind is that a great many tracks are 2-gear tracks. I suspect the A6 will have very little, if any, disadvantage on these tracks.
Because I wanted my wife to be able to enjoy the Stingray, I bought an A6 instead of an M7. So far, I am pleasantly surprised with the performance of the automatic.

Regarding the Z51, if I never planned on tracking my car, I'm not sure I would have gotten it. I still think that for street use and the owner who is going to occasionally drag race his car, the base model (which we have figured out is about ~60-70# lighter than the Z51 based on real world weights) will be FAR more than adequate.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ifference.html
That should be worth a tick or two a the track.
I also prefer the look without the Z51 spoiler.

The fact that I want MSRC also was a big determining factor in choosing the Z51. It's also cool that with it, there are big changes in ride and handling as it's tied into the Drive Mode Selector.

Either way, you can't go wrong. For the go-fast guys, a base 1LT A6 car would be the ticket. For the track (or just gotta-have-it) guys, an XLT (<----insert trim level here) M7 with MSRC would be a good choice.
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Originally Posted by kreasonos
Mark, is yours auto or manual?


Automatic! And I like the five PTM sub menus!
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Originally Posted by kreasonos
Does anyone feel like the z51 package is wasted on an automatic stingray? I mean is the auto stingray really worthy of track duty?
We will find out next year when they put an automatic in the z06. I am betting on the auto over the stick
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Originally Posted by kreasonos
Can you guys stop fighting and answer my question please?
I have had two Corvettes without the z51 package and the last two with the z51 package. I will never buy another Corvette that does not have the z51package. I like the larger wheels, bigger brakes, larger capicity cooling system, and the spoiler on the back. For the money you can't go wrong but that is just my opinion


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