Naysayers chased away by positive reviews
08-25-2013, 08:48 AM
#61
Scraping the splitter.
08-25-2013, 08:50 AM
#62
I suspect many of us are getting tired of your constant remark that C7 haters are C6 buyers with remorse. That is so much crap. That remark can be applied to the owner of any car that is critical of the C7. The real issue is one that has been stated previously. There is no track record of reliability for the C7 and there won't be until people start owning it. Every generation of Corvette has had issues and some even carried into future generations. GM saying that the C7 is totally new with 2 carryover parts may even be problematic. At least some of the old parts in the C5 and C6 were tried and true. The design of the C7 may be a homerun for both styling and content but as any engineer will tell you its in the execution of the design that will determine its long term quality and realiability. That is the number one reason why I will not consider the 2014 model. Its almost guaranteed that changes will be made to the 2015 model due to issues that surface during the 2014 production run.
BTW I would love a CRM C7.........
08-25-2013, 08:58 AM
#63
Le Mans Master
Although I hope there's no major problems with the C7, it's sure possible with all that new technology something will pop up. I cant count how many things I purchases with the latest and greatest technology over the years form lawn mowers, appliances, computers, electronics, only to realize they were plagued with problems.
BTW I would love a CRM C7.........
BTW I would love a CRM C7.........
08-25-2013, 08:58 AM
#64
Le Mans Master
I think a lot of it is ones attitude in life. If you are a positive person or one looking for problems. I have noticed that folks who buy extended warranties for instance have more problems with stuff then those who figure life is good and live it to the max.
But perhaps someone on here can predict the future. I think but could be a child that life can change in an instant. Based on that who of us can wait for any car to be "perfected"?? I say go out and buy it and enjoy it!!!!
If you feel that negative towards GM and Corvette then buy something else. It's that simple, lot to chose from. Nothing is guaranteed and those that are downers........ man their lives must be really miserable.
There are forum members who this week will suffer some tragedy, and for them waiting will not be an option.
So buy it drive it and enjoy it!!!! Being blinded is a good thing sometimes. Means you have a positive attitude and can make lemonade out of lemonade!!!!!! Enjoy the day!!!!
But perhaps someone on here can predict the future. I think but could be a child that life can change in an instant. Based on that who of us can wait for any car to be "perfected"?? I say go out and buy it and enjoy it!!!!
If you feel that negative towards GM and Corvette then buy something else. It's that simple, lot to chose from. Nothing is guaranteed and those that are downers........ man their lives must be really miserable.
There are forum members who this week will suffer some tragedy, and for them waiting will not be an option.
So buy it drive it and enjoy it!!!! Being blinded is a good thing sometimes. Means you have a positive attitude and can make lemonade out of lemonade!!!!!! Enjoy the day!!!!
08-25-2013, 09:20 AM
#65
Le Mans Master
So the reviews so far are good...and...so...
What is the value of this?
First, it is the first real feedback we have from people outside of the GM payroll. These are people that drive cars and report that experinece for a living. Some are better than others, and of course their writing will probably have some bias, as well as some influence from their own higher ups. Keeping that in mind while watching and reading, I pick up some genuine enthusiasm from the reviewers, this is great news.
But, the doubters have some valid points as well. These reviews were done under the watchful eye of GM, set up by GM, and of course in an environment best suited to show what the car does well, and more importantly, diminish what it doesn't do well, whatever that may be.
Of course an hour in the car isn't going to show if there are any 'global' problems coming around the corner. Is it possible? Sure it is, but, with exception of that high pressure fuel pump leaking fuel onto those hot exhaust manifolds, anything else is fixable.
The good news is that some of you now have actual cars, with actual vin #'s, just waiting to be loaded up on the truck and brought to you. Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
And for those that ordered Blk/ Z51/ 2LT w HUD/ Manual, with ebony or kalahari, I'll be wathching the for sale section in a couple of years, so take good care of her.
What is the value of this?
First, it is the first real feedback we have from people outside of the GM payroll. These are people that drive cars and report that experinece for a living. Some are better than others, and of course their writing will probably have some bias, as well as some influence from their own higher ups. Keeping that in mind while watching and reading, I pick up some genuine enthusiasm from the reviewers, this is great news.
But, the doubters have some valid points as well. These reviews were done under the watchful eye of GM, set up by GM, and of course in an environment best suited to show what the car does well, and more importantly, diminish what it doesn't do well, whatever that may be.
Of course an hour in the car isn't going to show if there are any 'global' problems coming around the corner. Is it possible? Sure it is, but, with exception of that high pressure fuel pump leaking fuel onto those hot exhaust manifolds, anything else is fixable.
The good news is that some of you now have actual cars, with actual vin #'s, just waiting to be loaded up on the truck and brought to you. Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
And for those that ordered Blk/ Z51/ 2LT w HUD/ Manual, with ebony or kalahari, I'll be wathching the for sale section in a couple of years, so take good care of her.
08-25-2013, 10:35 AM
#67
Safety Car
I suspect many of us are getting tired of your constant remark that C7 haters are C6 buyers with remorse. That is so much crap. That remark can be applied to the owner of any car that is critical of the C7. The real issue is one that has been stated previously. There is no track record of reliability for the C7 and there won't be until people start owning it. Every generation of Corvette has had issues and some even carried into future generations. GM saying that the C7 is totally new with 2 carryover parts may even be problematic. At least some of the old parts in the C5 and C6 were tried and true. The design of the C7 may be a homerun for both styling and content but as any engineer will tell you its in the execution of the design that will determine its long term quality and realiability. That is the number one reason why I will not consider the 2014 model. Its almost guaranteed that changes will be made to the 2015 model due to issues that surface during the 2014 production run.
The supporters will come back with nonsensical rhetoric that really only amounts to showing their inability to converse on what is a place we all come to converse! Really sad.
Although I hope there's no major problems with the C7, it's sure possible with all that new technology something will pop up. I cant count how many things I purchases with the latest and greatest technology over the years form lawn mowers, appliances, computers, electronics, only to realize they were plagued with problems.
So the reviews so far are good...and...so...
What is the value of this?
First, it is the first real feedback we have from people outside of the GM payroll. These are people that drive cars and report that experinece for a living. Some are better than others, and of course their writing will probably have some bias, as well as some influence from their own higher ups. Keeping that in mind while watching and reading, I pick up some genuine enthusiasm from the reviewers, this is great news.
But, the doubters have some valid points as well. These reviews were done under the watchful eye of GM, set up by GM, and of course in an environment best suited to show what the car does well, and more importantly, diminish what it doesn't do well, whatever that may be.
Of course an hour in the car isn't going to show if there are any 'global' problems coming around the corner. Is it possible? Sure it is, but, with exception of that high pressure fuel pump leaking fuel onto those hot exhaust manifolds, anything else is fixable.
The good news is that some of you now have actual cars, with actual vin #'s, just waiting to be loaded up on the truck and brought to you. Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
And for those that ordered Blk/ Z51/ 2LT w HUD/ Manual, with ebony or kalahari, I'll be wathching the for sale section in a couple of years, so take good care of her.
What is the value of this?
First, it is the first real feedback we have from people outside of the GM payroll. These are people that drive cars and report that experinece for a living. Some are better than others, and of course their writing will probably have some bias, as well as some influence from their own higher ups. Keeping that in mind while watching and reading, I pick up some genuine enthusiasm from the reviewers, this is great news.
But, the doubters have some valid points as well. These reviews were done under the watchful eye of GM, set up by GM, and of course in an environment best suited to show what the car does well, and more importantly, diminish what it doesn't do well, whatever that may be.
Of course an hour in the car isn't going to show if there are any 'global' problems coming around the corner. Is it possible? Sure it is, but, with exception of that high pressure fuel pump leaking fuel onto those hot exhaust manifolds, anything else is fixable.
The good news is that some of you now have actual cars, with actual vin #'s, just waiting to be loaded up on the truck and brought to you. Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
And for those that ordered Blk/ Z51/ 2LT w HUD/ Manual, with ebony or kalahari, I'll be wathching the for sale section in a couple of years, so take good care of her.
It is baffling to me as to why some just can't grasp the simple concept that you state. I too look forward what the owners will have to say, it is my worry though that they have dug in so deep defending the car that there honesty will be skewed.
08-25-2013, 10:51 AM
#68
08-25-2013, 11:00 AM
#69
I don't know if they are intelligent. They may be, or not. I would say they are persistent.
I am not a big fan of the new Porsche 911. However, I have no desire to go over to a Porsche forum and talk about how it is not a great car; or how I don't like the way the back end looks (or front for that matter).
I think the quality of the C3 Corvettes leaves much to be desired. And the performance of the early 80's cars is terrible. I have spent no time telling all of the people that like those cars how bad I think their cars are. Or post on and on and on and on about the faults they might get, just in case they don't know.
I am not a big fan of the new Porsche 911. However, I have no desire to go over to a Porsche forum and talk about how it is not a great car; or how I don't like the way the back end looks (or front for that matter).
I think the quality of the C3 Corvettes leaves much to be desired. And the performance of the early 80's cars is terrible. I have spent no time telling all of the people that like those cars how bad I think their cars are. Or post on and on and on and on about the faults they might get, just in case they don't know.
I don't mind so much, but it does get tiresome. So I'm glad that most of them have said their piece and have gone.
08-25-2013, 11:04 AM
#70
They'll keep moving the goal posts. First it was the styling, then it was the tailights, then it was the "skinny" tires, then it was the AFM, then it was direct injection, then it was AWD and DCT, then it was the power numbers, then it was the weight, and now what are we on? Brand cache and reliability? As if the C7 is going to spontaneously combust at 10K.
It'll never stop.
It'll never stop.
08-25-2013, 11:14 AM
#71
Melting Slicks
They'll keep moving the goal posts. First it was the styling, then it was the tailights, then it was the "skinny" tires, then it was the AFM, then it was direct injection, then it was AWD and DCT, then it was the power numbers, then it was the weight, and now what are we on? Brand cache and reliability? As if the C7 is going to spontaneously combust at 10K.
It'll never stop.
It'll never stop.
08-25-2013, 11:44 AM
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08-25-2013, 11:50 AM
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They'll keep moving the goal posts. First it was the styling, then it was the tailights, then it was the "skinny" tires, then it was the AFM, then it was direct injection, then it was AWD and DCT, then it was the power numbers, then it was the weight, and now what are we on? Brand cache and reliability? As if the C7 is going to spontaneously combust at 10K.
It'll never stop.
It'll never stop.
08-25-2013, 12:03 PM
#74
I have started to look at it this way: They might just dislike C7's, maybe Chevy, maybe GM or maybe all cars in general. Whatever their reasons, they do not seem like very happy people. How many of them complain about lots of things? They feel good when they are complaining. So, be grateful you are not like them.
It seems like some of them think that there is some giant conspiracy behind the C7 since it was introduced. Like GM couldn't possibly deliver a car that did what they said it was going to do even though they bought C5's and C6's from the same company with the same engineers. Some posters really believe deep down that GM is conning them into buying this car by trumping its improvements over the C6 which was underpinned by a platform that first saw the light of day its basic form in 1996. If I were GM I'd be proud of this car just like they were with every new Corvette generation.
But whatever...its going to be fun once they hit the street and the hi-po models start coming down the line as well.
08-25-2013, 12:21 PM
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/2000-2008-cadillac6.htm
08-25-2013, 12:30 PM
#76
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Because it was and is based off of the C6. Click the link below and learn something!
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/2000-2008-cadillac6.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/2000-2008-cadillac6.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_XLR
Not everyone agrees with YOUR link.
Now for a guess. I DO think the electrical architecture of the C6 was the same as the XLR, which led to the fun filled "shift to reverse" "feature" of the 2005 manual C6's (which lead to DBS).
Jimmy
08-25-2013, 12:31 PM
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They'll keep moving the goal posts. First it was the styling, then it was the tailights, then it was the "skinny" tires, then it was the AFM, then it was direct injection, then it was AWD and DCT, then it was the power numbers, then it was the weight, and now what are we on? Brand cache and reliability? As if the C7 is going to spontaneously combust at 10K.
It'll never stop.
It'll never stop.
08-25-2013, 12:34 PM
#78
Race Director
Thread Starter
And the august Ms. Crawford is still, as my dad used to say: "Strong as a sack of hammers"
Kate Upton works also! (Car and Driver even referenced Ms. Upton on the cover with the C7 convertible a few months ago)
Jimmy
08-25-2013, 01:03 PM
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Or not:
Cadillac XLR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not everyone agrees with YOUR link.
Now for a guess. I DO think the electrical architecture of the C6 was the same as the XLR, which led to the fun filled "shift to reverse" "feature" of the 2005 manual C6's (which lead to DBS).
Jimmy
Cadillac XLR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not everyone agrees with YOUR link.
Now for a guess. I DO think the electrical architecture of the C6 was the same as the XLR, which led to the fun filled "shift to reverse" "feature" of the 2005 manual C6's (which lead to DBS).
Jimmy
