Don't let them add Stop/Start to future Corvettes!
08-22-2013, 04:37 PM
#42
Team Owner
The EPA has taken over designing our cars, and it's going to get worse in the future. What is the Corvette going to be when it has to crank out 50 MPG?
08-22-2013, 04:44 PM
#43
Instructor
Perhaps we do, but for how long? And not all of it that is produced here stays here; a lot of it is exported.
Tesla S is not much more expensive than a Z51 C7 with some options, $62k with tax credits. Most people cannot afford a Corvette either, which starts at close to the median yearly salary.
Tesla S is not much more expensive than a Z51 C7 with some options, $62k with tax credits. Most people cannot afford a Corvette either, which starts at close to the median yearly salary.
Also stop all these STUPID regulations on drilling here in the states.
Oil problem solved!!
08-22-2013, 05:11 PM
#44
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GM could have claimed the Eco mode economy rating, but give them props for not making ECO mode the default setting. That's the only reason they had to average it out. Some other manufacturers who claim to be more "sport" oriented did not take the same path.
08-22-2013, 05:13 PM
#45
Pro
The only constant in the world is change. Kicking and screaming won't stop it, so my advice is to relax and enjoy the ride.
08-22-2013, 05:17 PM
#46
Team Owner
Proper start-stop systems work great, IF there is a battery.
I've driven a few of the mild-hybrid Malibu's and Buick's and the start stop is imperceptible.
They do however have a battery to get the car going so your run up to 3-4 mph is on battery, then the engine is running.
I've driven a few of the mild-hybrid Malibu's and Buick's and the start stop is imperceptible.
They do however have a battery to get the car going so your run up to 3-4 mph is on battery, then the engine is running.
08-22-2013, 05:18 PM
#47
Pro
Does anyone know if the new LT1 currently employs cylinder deactivation at stops?
08-22-2013, 05:21 PM
#48
Gotta love the title of this thread...like you could stop GM from adding Stop/Start if you wanted to. It's almost like people forget this is a street car that lots of folks have to drive in a lot of traffic. Sometimes CF7 sounds a bit like the people who loved horses when they tried to stop cars from being developed.
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08-22-2013, 05:22 PM
#49
While economy has certainly improved, there is a finite amount of energy in a given quantity of gasoline. There's only so much that can be done. With the standards manufacturers are going to be forced to meet in the next decade, cars will change quite a bit.
08-22-2013, 05:25 PM
#50
Safety Car
Just another ridiculous, intrusive, wasteful, government mandate. There will be unintended consequences. Someone will be hurt or killed , when it doesn't operate as intended.
The savings in gas will not be there if the engine is not off for significant amount of time. I can only imagine the wear and tear on starter's and battery's. More to replace earlier at the owners expense. All just to make some feel good. Just like the Ethanol junk.
The savings in gas will not be there if the engine is not off for significant amount of time. I can only imagine the wear and tear on starter's and battery's. More to replace earlier at the owners expense. All just to make some feel good. Just like the Ethanol junk.
08-22-2013, 05:34 PM
#52
I had a chance to discuss it with someone who has been with Ford in Engineering for a long time. He would not discuss specifics, but said I would not believe how small cars were going to become to meet these mandates.
Will that come to pass or will a technological breakthrough change the landscape radically? No one knows for sure. For now it is my opinion that the radical CAFE shift was a very shortsighted move to appease a certain segment of voters by Politicians with no engineering understanding and little grasp of the ramifications. Unfortunately for them (and ultimately us), physics bows to no political affiliation or policy.
08-22-2013, 05:52 PM
#53
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/13/news...rts/index.html
Yeah, let's stop all of these stupid regulations so we have even more Deep Water Horizons or Exxon Valdezes. All of you guys calling for less regulation...have you seen the "air" in Beijing or New Delhi?
08-22-2013, 05:54 PM
#54
Just another ridiculous, intrusive, wasteful, government mandate. There will be unintended consequences. Someone will be hurt or killed , when it doesn't operate as intended.
The savings in gas will not be there if the engine is not off for significant amount of time. I can only imagine the wear and tear on starter's and battery's. More to replace earlier at the owners expense. All just to make some feel good. Just like the Ethanol junk.
The savings in gas will not be there if the engine is not off for significant amount of time. I can only imagine the wear and tear on starter's and battery's. More to replace earlier at the owners expense. All just to make some feel good. Just like the Ethanol junk.
08-22-2013, 06:18 PM
#55
Instructor
Not sure it's that easy. With developing countries like, say, China clamoring for oil, which oil company is going to say "no"?
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/13/news...rts/index.html
Yeah, let's stop all of these stupid regulations so we have even more Deep Water Horizons or Exxon Valdezes. All of you guys calling for less regulation...have you seen the "air" in Beijing or New Delhi?
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/13/news...rts/index.html
Yeah, let's stop all of these stupid regulations so we have even more Deep Water Horizons or Exxon Valdezes. All of you guys calling for less regulation...have you seen the "air" in Beijing or New Delhi?
As far as the Exxon Valdeze; how are any more regulations going to stop a person from getting drunk and running a ship into something?!!
There is already a regulation against a ship operator being drunk.
I am out of this discussion now as we are leaving to go get our zr1 and won't be back for a couple days.
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08-23-2013, 02:36 AM
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The reason there was a deep water horizons is because of the stupid regulations. If they were allowed to drill shallower it would not have happened or would have been very easy to stop the leak.
As far as the Exxon Valdeze; how are any more regulations going to stop a person from getting drunk and running a ship into something?!!
There is already a regulation against a ship operator being drunk.
I am out of this discussion now as we are leaving to go get our zr1 and won't be back for a couple days.
As far as the Exxon Valdeze; how are any more regulations going to stop a person from getting drunk and running a ship into something?!!
There is already a regulation against a ship operator being drunk.
I am out of this discussion now as we are leaving to go get our zr1 and won't be back for a couple days.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...579696700.html
08-23-2013, 02:52 AM
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OMG... The complaints about CAFE and the government and Obama... Quit it.
Let's be real. It doesn't matter what government is in place, the EPA isn't going to let up on CAFE standards. And personally I think that's a good thing. Then again, I'm one of those green hippy communist socialist liberal tree-hugging democrats.
It's inconvenient to have to give up something once in a while for the common interest of... say... surviving the next 20 years. But we all have to do it. Want to not give up anything? Make a billion dollars so you can never give up anything too.
In the meantime we have more than just smog and global warming killing us.
We're running out of bees.
We're running out of sharks.
We're running out of fish.
We've got the toxic waste and radioactive water from Japan on its way over to the west shores.
We're running out of skill labor.
We're fracking the crap out of our ground water. (Yes, know lots of the BS stories about this. Doesn't make it any less wrong.)
We're slowing down the ocean currents.
We're destroying our land with tar-sands waste.
And none of this is partisan. These are world-wide issues. I think it's nice we at least have a Corvette that pollutes less and gets decent economy. It's the car that allows us to have our cake and eat it too.
Why are so many complaining about such small trivial things? Don't like that we have to give up certain things for survival? Don't buy anything new.
Let's be real. It doesn't matter what government is in place, the EPA isn't going to let up on CAFE standards. And personally I think that's a good thing. Then again, I'm one of those green hippy communist socialist liberal tree-hugging democrats.
It's inconvenient to have to give up something once in a while for the common interest of... say... surviving the next 20 years. But we all have to do it. Want to not give up anything? Make a billion dollars so you can never give up anything too.
In the meantime we have more than just smog and global warming killing us.
We're running out of bees.
We're running out of sharks.
We're running out of fish.
We've got the toxic waste and radioactive water from Japan on its way over to the west shores.
We're running out of skill labor.
We're fracking the crap out of our ground water. (Yes, know lots of the BS stories about this. Doesn't make it any less wrong.)
We're slowing down the ocean currents.
We're destroying our land with tar-sands waste.
And none of this is partisan. These are world-wide issues. I think it's nice we at least have a Corvette that pollutes less and gets decent economy. It's the car that allows us to have our cake and eat it too.
Why are so many complaining about such small trivial things? Don't like that we have to give up certain things for survival? Don't buy anything new.
08-23-2013, 03:04 AM
#59
Le Mans Master
If that's what it takes to keep our beloved small block V8 alive in the Corvette, then go for it.
Michael
Michael
