Help GM Engineers Design the new Z06
08-20-2013, 11:09 AM
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Melting Slicks
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Help GM Engineers Design the new Z06
Now that the car is getting reviewed and the reviews look pretty positive, the only area I'm feeling let down in is the mass. With all the emphasis they put into light weight materials it's a little disapointing seeing the weight go UP instead of down from the C6. Since a lot of people on this forum seem to think that GM has no idea how to design cars anymore, I thought it might be helpful to give some advice on how to get mass out of future HI-PO variants.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
08-20-2013, 11:23 AM
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- A Ti exhaust is not only insanely expensive, but it removes weight from the wrong end of the car! It's why they stopped using them.
- Those valves aren't "gimicky(sic)" as you say. When open they allow the engine to exhale more freely, creating a bit more torque. But when open, the car will fail federal drive-by noise tests. In other words: they're required or the car can't get registered anywhere in the states.
08-20-2013, 11:29 AM
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Now that the car is getting reviewed and the reviews look pretty positive, the only area I'm feeling let down in is the mass. With all the emphasis they put into light weight materials it's a little disapointing seeing the weight go UP instead of down from the C6. Since a lot of people on this forum seem to think that GM has no idea how to design cars anymore, I thought it might be helpful to give some advice on how to get mass out of future HI-PO variants.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
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08-20-2013, 11:48 AM
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Now that the car is getting reviewed and the reviews look pretty positive, the only area I'm feeling let down in is the mass. With all the emphasis they put into light weight materials it's a little disapointing seeing the weight go UP instead of down from the C6. Since a lot of people on this forum seem to think that GM has no idea how to design cars anymore, I thought it might be helpful to give some advice on how to get mass out of future HI-PO variants.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
I'll start off and suggest they go back to the Titanium exhaust like on the C5 Z06, and while they are at it, go to 2 exhaust tips instead of 4 and get rid of those gimicky valves.
08-20-2013, 11:51 AM
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They've probably already got most of it done.
Probably well into the tweaking/testing.
Probably well into the tweaking/testing.
08-20-2013, 12:02 PM
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They started considering the development and goals of the vehicle at the same time as the base car. They obviously prioritize the completion of the base car first, but development and testing has been going on nearly as long as the base car. The have to be co-developed to a large extent because it's the same platform and you always have to consider high performance versions while doing the base car and I guarantee they paid even more attention this time around to the Z06 performance. I'm willing to bet that it will be able to take down a 458 Italia in every aspect of performance. Considering how good the base car is, the Z06 will truly be a world class performer.
08-20-2013, 12:17 PM
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They started considering the development and goals of the vehicle at the same time as the base car. They obviously prioritize the completion of the base car first, but development and testing has been going on nearly as long as the base car. The have to be co-developed to a large extent because it's the same platform and you always have to consider high performance versions while doing the base car and I guarantee they paid even more attention this time around to the Z06 performance. I'm willing to bet that it will be able to take down a 458 Italia in every aspect of performance. Considering how good the base car is, the Z06 will truly be a world class performer.
But yeah, it should take on the 458 pretty easily IMO.
08-20-2013, 12:20 PM
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They started considering the development and goals of the vehicle at the same time as the base car. They obviously prioritize the completion of the base car first, but development and testing has been going on nearly as long as the base car. The have to be co-developed to a large extent because it's the same platform and you always have to consider high performance versions while doing the base car and I guarantee they paid even more attention this time around to the Z06 performance. I'm willing to bet that it will be able to take down a 458 Italia in every aspect of performance. Considering how good the base car is, the Z06 will truly be a world class performer.
I honestly think they will only have one variant of Z-car. Heck, the Z06/ZR1 were basically the same car with a different engine so I could see a ZR1 badge with two engine options, a 550+ NA and a S/C or TT 750+.
There will, of course, be more Stingray variants.
08-20-2013, 01:10 PM
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Melting Slicks
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There appears to be more Coolaide drinking going around here than I suspected. So when you guys pick up your new C7, you are not going to change ANYTHING on the car? Not even a favorite motor oil instead of what the factory recommends? If that is the case, then the aftermarket guys might as well close their doors.
08-20-2013, 01:15 PM
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There appears to be more Coolaide drinking going around here than I suspected. So when you guys pick up your new C7, you are not going to change ANYTHING on the car? Not even a favorite motor oil instead of what the factory recommends? If that is the case, then the aftermarket guys might as well close their doors.
08-20-2013, 01:23 PM
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There appears to be more Coolaide drinking going around here than I suspected. So when you guys pick up your new C7, you are not going to change ANYTHING on the car? Not even a favorite motor oil instead of what the factory recommends? If that is the case, then the aftermarket guys might as well close their doors.
Agreed on the increasing use of carbon and titanium exhaust as good ways to reduce weight. They could probably go to a carbon drive shaft and torque tube, which could also eliminate AFM vibrations experienced in the aluminum version.
08-20-2013, 01:26 PM
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There appears to be more Coolaide drinking going around here than I suspected. So when you guys pick up your new C7, you are not going to change ANYTHING on the car? Not even a favorite motor oil instead of what the factory recommends? If that is the case, then the aftermarket guys might as well close their doors.
