Peter Brock's Sting Ray book
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Peter Brock's Sting Ray book
I just picked up my copy of Peter Brock's new book Corvette Sting Ray and it is fantastic! The history, pictures and information are really informative. It has a forward by Ed Welburn. For those of you who may not know or missed a related earlier post, Peter was one of the youngest (if not the youngest) designers hired by GM and he worked under Harley Earle and Bill Mitchell and in 1957 penned the images that led the way for the 1963 Split Window Stingray. Here are a couple of pics from this morning:
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Peter will be at the 60th Reunion at Laguna Seca next week as well (and signing his book). I can't wait!
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Peter will be at the 60th Reunion at Laguna Seca next week as well (and signing his book). I can't wait!
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I just picked up my copy of Peter Brock's new book Corvette Sting Ray and it is fantastic! The history, pictures and information are really informative. It has a forward by Ed Welburn. For those of you who may not know or missed a related earlier post, Peter was one of the youngest (if not the youngest) designers hired by GM and he worked under Harley Earle and Bill Mitchell and in 1957 penned the images that led the way for the 1963 Split Window Stingray. Here are a couple of pics from this morning:
and .
Peter will be at the 60th Reunion at Laguna Seca next week as well (and signing his book). I can't wait!
and .
Peter will be at the 60th Reunion at Laguna Seca next week as well (and signing his book). I can't wait!
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The info I have is that Mitchell got the idea for the 59 Stingray from this Alpha Disco Volante.
Then Larry Shinoda did this.
Then from this.
Peter Brock sketched this incorporating Shinoda and the Alpha design.
Which became the Q car designed by Larry Shinoda. Duntov hated it because of it's poor aerodynamics. Mitchell locked him out of the design studio.
Which became the 63 Stingray by Shinoda.
Then Peter sketched this car which Dr. Kham, an aircraft aerodynamicist, influenced. The Daytona was the first car to get this Kham back.
Is this the correct story?
This is my interpretation of the Stingray.
Then Larry Shinoda did this.
Then from this.
Peter Brock sketched this incorporating Shinoda and the Alpha design.
Which became the Q car designed by Larry Shinoda. Duntov hated it because of it's poor aerodynamics. Mitchell locked him out of the design studio.
Which became the 63 Stingray by Shinoda.
Then Peter sketched this car which Dr. Kham, an aircraft aerodynamicist, influenced. The Daytona was the first car to get this Kham back.
Is this the correct story?
This is my interpretation of the Stingray.
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Can't answer yet as I have just started reading Sting Ray Maybe by Laguna Seca I will have some answers or you could ask Peter or Ed directly at the Reunion.
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My copy is in the mail.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
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Peter Brock is scheduled to be at Carlisle....can't wait to meet him and purchase his new book.
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My copy is in the mail.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
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Event Details
Date: Friday, August 16, 2013
Time: 10:00 am – 4:00 pm
Location: Quail Lodge & Golf Club, Carmel, California
The featured themes for 2013
Retrospect of Automobili Lamborghini celebrating 50 Years
100 Years of Aston Martin
A Tribute to the California Mille In Honor of Martin Swig
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Pre-War Sports and Racing
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Event Details
Date: Friday, August 16, 2013
Time: 10:00 am – 4:00 pm
Location: Quail Lodge & Golf Club, Carmel, California
The featured themes for 2013
Retrospect of Automobili Lamborghini celebrating 50 Years
100 Years of Aston Martin
A Tribute to the California Mille In Honor of Martin Swig
Peter Brock Designs
Pre-War Sports and Racing
Post-War Sports
Post-War Racing
Super Cars
The Great Ferraris
Sports and Racing Motorcycles
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Peter Brock will also be the Grand Marshal of the Palos Verdes Concours d'Elegance, Sep 14 & 15 in Southern California, just South of Los Angeles.
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My copy is in the mail.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
By the way, GM has rolled out the Sting Ray racer to be sent to an event honoring Peter Brock designs. Naturally Peter will be there.
Shaka: FWIS, you have many of the elements but some of the sequence wrong. Get the book and let Peter speak for himself. By the way, when the Viper Coupe (blue with white stripes) was introduced, Chrysler drove one to Peter's house for his blessing. He was very suprised and honored that Chrysler did so.
I was at the ground breaking ceremony for the Corvette museum where Duntov drove the Corvette bulldozer. I was also there for the opening where Duntov, McLelland, Shinoda and others were. Where was Brock?
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As an aero major, I just had to clarify one point ... the aerodynamicist mentioned above is Dr. Wunibald Kamm (not Kham) ... but I am impressed somebody actually knew about him!
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True, Brock won the competition, but the refinement of the design came from Shinoda and Mitchell showed them what he was after after seeing the Alpha in Europe.
The idea of the Corvette came from Gen. Curtis Lemay in the first place who was a friend of Earle's. He watched the British soldiers driving their silly little MGs around cones on the airfields. The NCCC still run at Airforce basis because of him.
I doubt Shinoda and Brock spoke to one another. Shinoda left under a cloud, did Brock do the same?
McLelland did also, over the design of the LT5.
Why did he wait so long to write the book?
Why wasn't Brock at the opening of the Corvette Museum? Duntov and Shinoda were, so was McClelland and Hill. The 59 Stingray was there as was the 63 Stingray and the Manta Ray. Mmmm.
Orville Wright took most of the credit for their accomplishments after Wilbur died. Wilbur was the smart one. Just saying.
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Shaka, you appear to have reasonable knowledge of the Stingray's history. Perhaps it might make sense to read Peter's book before casting possible aspersions.
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OK, there was a lot of controversy and secrecy at the time over Duntov's SS and Mitchell's Stingray. The car wasn't even done at GM. Maybe the info was classified and he was sworn to secrecy as McClelland was. There was even an old timer in an autoweek story that said he personally destroyed the 6th Grand Sport.
4 Duntov chassis were built. The SS and the Stingray each received one.
Many books have been written about Corvettes and their designs. None that I can recall have mentioned Brock. Why would that be? The first time I saw Brock's sketches was within the past 5 years. I have never seen him at any major Corvette events until now. Heck, he was 19 years old without a degree.
I look forward to the book never the less.
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And the Italian carmaker was not "Alpha" but ALFA (as in Alfa Romeo). The present-day Dodge Dart, a product of the Fiat/Chrysler marriage, is based on a contemporary FWD Alfa sedan.
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Bought the book for the photos....looks pretty cool.
Did anyone notice the C7 book scheduled to be out in November on Amazon ? Supposed to be a journalist who was brought in to document the process from Day 1. Should also be a good read. I bought he " per- order..."
Did anyone notice the C7 book scheduled to be out in November on Amazon ? Supposed to be a journalist who was brought in to document the process from Day 1. Should also be a good read. I bought he " per- order..."
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Met Peter two years ago at Summit Point, here he is next to my 63.
While he was there had him sign the inside of the glove box:
Here he is with me and my friend John Herold,
He is a great person, down to earth. Told me my restored Corvette was one of the best he has ever seen. Man coming from him that was almost better than the 3 top flights I got.
Can't wait to by the book, hope he decides to come to Carlisle this year....
While he was there had him sign the inside of the glove box:
Here he is with me and my friend John Herold,
He is a great person, down to earth. Told me my restored Corvette was one of the best he has ever seen. Man coming from him that was almost better than the 3 top flights I got.
Can't wait to by the book, hope he decides to come to Carlisle this year....