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2014 Corvette Stingray Z51 vs. 2009 Corvette Z51: Track Tested (same Driver)

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Old 08-04-2013, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lavender
Where is your source for that? :rof l:
There aren't any production cars yet...they are all hand built at this time.
Old 08-04-2013, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sampaschal
There aren't any production cars yet...they are all hand built at this time.
Thank You ! I believe everything is clear as a day light now!
Old 08-04-2013, 11:28 AM
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If C6 base and GS owners ditch the Goodyears and many have cause they suck and dont last...you will see very similar times and performance to the C7. No doubt if the C7 was on Goodyears the C7 would disappoint with the extra weight and slim bump in power...and skinny Goodyears at the track....well that would be pretty funny.
Old 08-04-2013, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lathrash
I would like to see a comparison with the C6 wearing the same Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires as the C7, rather than the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires it came with from the factory.
I am always annoyed by these type of statements. Thats like someone who owns a c5z seeing the new c6z figures saying..."well, I'd just like to see my c5 with the LS7 in it...THEN what would happen?!"...

Its factory delivered versus factory delivered...suspension improves, tires improve, systems improve, etc...simple as that
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And Sam, as usual...

Old 08-04-2013, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by disc0monkey
how dare they compare it to the Z51 and not a z06. ha

strap in, people are going to complain that it didn't outperform the $25,000 more expensive Z06 from only 7 years of progress. all while carrying all the beautiful creature comforts.
Just wait untill there's a C7Z06 to compare it with nOOb.
Old 08-04-2013, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sam90lx
No doubt if the C7 was on Goodyears the C7 would disappoint with the extra weight and slim bump in power...and skinny Goodyears at the track....well that would be pretty funny.
Then we'd be seeing two comparisons to the C4- interior design and track times
Old 08-04-2013, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RC000E
I am always annoyed by these type of statements. Thats like someone who owns a c5z seeing the new c6z figures saying..."well, I'd just like to see my c5 with the LS7 in it...THEN what would happen?!"...
No it isn't. Unlike engines, tires are a wear item that have to be replaced regularly. My C6 is on its fifth set of tires. If the new C7 Michelins are a big improvement over the PS2 ZPs, lots of C6s including my own will be running around on them soon.
Old 08-04-2013, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RC000E
I am always annoyed by these type of statements. Thats like someone who owns a c5z seeing the new c6z figures saying..."well, I'd just like to see my c5 with the LS7 in it...THEN what would happen?!"...

Its factory delivered versus factory delivered...suspension improves, tires improve, systems improve, etc...simple as that
Not necessarily. If the GS could produce very similar if not the same times with just a tire change to the Michelins that wouldn't be very good for the the C7 because then nothing was changed mechanically on the GS to achieve the results where everything was changed mechanically on the C7 to achieve the SAME results as a GS. Big difference.
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Originally Posted by RC000E
And Sam, as usual...

You could always try and make me....
Old 08-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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The same people who said we need to wait for the magazine tests and see if the Stingray really is faster, are now saying we can't trust those tests. Classic troll behavior.
Old 08-04-2013, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DREAMERAK
The same people who said we need to wait for the magazine tests and see if the Stingray really is faster, are now saying we can't trust those tests. Classic troll behavior.
And blaming it on the tires. Don't forget the tires.

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Old 08-04-2013, 04:33 PM
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If we are going to go strickly by performance, the new C7 is not that much quicker than a 02-04 C5 Z06. The numbers are really close.
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Originally Posted by Lavender
Where is your source for that? :rof l::r ofl:::rofl ::ro fl:: :
You should add a few more rofls to really establish your credibility.

You honestly believe the test cars are normal production cars? Really?

EDIT: But then, what should we expect from some new members who have been here less than a year and do not even own a Corvette.
Most of us know enough to let the GM Marketing hype die down a little and wait for real test results/numbers from final production cars later in the year.
The only "agenda" I have is getting tired of all the abusive comments from junior members who try to stop honest discussion by people who can actually afford to buy the C7.

Right now we are only seeing numbers from pre-production cars that are tightly controlled by GM. In a few months we will have numbers from production cars released to the magazines
and tested at their own locations and facilities without GM oversight.

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Old 08-04-2013, 04:53 PM
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as well test it against a c5z as well
That probably would be a bad idea...you would upset a lot of folks who want there new cars to trounce the older vettes. If you understand what the bottom of your car looks like then you would know that there is very little difference between C5, C6, and C7 suspension components. If any of those cars is 300lbs lighter and has the same tires, it will be hard to beat said car on a track(not drag racing). The better brakes will help the C7 but that only comes into play after a few laps. If the c7 has the high skid pad numbers they are quoting then I believe it will be the faster car on a road course.
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Originally Posted by WHT
You should add a few more rofls to really establish your credibility.

You honestly believe the test cars are normal production cars? Really?
Your argument goes both ways. What if the C6s that mags tested were also "tuned" .. "massaged".."ringers"..too? Have you thought about that? Well of course you have not...because it doesn't suit your agenda.

:lol g:

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Originally Posted by Snorman
Anybody who thinks this is simply a function of a better 285-width tire is either clueless or in denial.

And it is funny to watch those who have probably a handful of passes at the dragstrip speculate the performance increases a relatively narrow, low-aspect ratio tire will give to their Grand Sports that already have a 325 on them.
I have to ask those people, how much drag racing experience do you really have, and do you have any times from your own car (or do you just magazine race)?
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Old 08-04-2013, 05:11 PM
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The better power under the curve and the huge torque over the LS3 will make the C7 wins everytime IMO. People look at the peak numbers to compare, but the LT1 has crazy hp/tq everywhere.

I think its pretty obvious that the C7 delivered superior performance than the last C6. No need to be butthurt..All Corvette guys should be happy

I believe the LT1 mod potential will set new records

The tire argument is useless. Everybody knows that better tires will perform better on any car. Its like saying a regular Camaro SS with the 1LE Camaro SS tires(Goodyear F1 G2) will perform as good as the 1LE itself. Theres more to it than just the tires...

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Old 08-05-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rc000e
and sam, as usual...

exactly:d
Old 08-05-2013, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bikeriderga
If we are going to go strickly by performance, the new C7 is not that much quicker than a 02-04 C5 Z06. The numbers are really close.
You are correct.. Even more important most people who drive their cars hard could beat me in either model. I went to a long and difficult driving school at Mid Ohio. What I learned was it is not easy being fast. In my opinion the difference in C5,C6, and C7 is really in a drivers ability.
Professionals can wring out the best in each car but most people just end up bragging about test results. Strap in one of these Corvettes and see how quick it isn't with the average Corvette owner...


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