How is GM going to reduce the curb weight of the future Hi-Po C7?
07-29-2013, 01:27 AM
#41
Drifting
Disagree. The z06 c5 wheels, chevy spent some serious money on those, that they lapsed on the c6.
If we were having a debate in person, i would ask if you know what c5 z06 wheels weighed, and to skip the drama, i will answer, 17 and 19 lbs, front and rears. Thats about 10 lbs lighter than any wheels they offered on c6.
Meanwhile, gm has offered mag wheels back on the c5 as well.
so i dont follow your point.
Also meanwhile, callaway is a partner with gm, and callaway cars are sold at gm dealerships... with... magnesium face wheels, and carbon drums... big and wide... weighing in at under 20 lbs all day long.
So... i dont follow you at all. Its one thing to not know... it another thing to just flat out tell someone they are wrong.
And therefore i have no issue in saying, you are wrong.
And whats so hard about a carbon torque tube or carbon body panels or carbon interior... ok, so the seat is on magnesium rails... still, there are race seats made out of carbon out there that much much lighter.
I guess rather than debate, i would be willing to put a wager on it.
Youve said how much you think the car will weigh, i say it will be at least 100 lbs less.
Anything in the middle is a tie, and thats doing you a favor, because i could simply say anything under your weight and i win... but im giving your guess an extra 100 lbs of error.
How much would you like to bet good sir?
If we were having a debate in person, i would ask if you know what c5 z06 wheels weighed, and to skip the drama, i will answer, 17 and 19 lbs, front and rears. Thats about 10 lbs lighter than any wheels they offered on c6.
Meanwhile, gm has offered mag wheels back on the c5 as well.
so i dont follow your point.
Also meanwhile, callaway is a partner with gm, and callaway cars are sold at gm dealerships... with... magnesium face wheels, and carbon drums... big and wide... weighing in at under 20 lbs all day long.
So... i dont follow you at all. Its one thing to not know... it another thing to just flat out tell someone they are wrong.
And therefore i have no issue in saying, you are wrong.
And whats so hard about a carbon torque tube or carbon body panels or carbon interior... ok, so the seat is on magnesium rails... still, there are race seats made out of carbon out there that much much lighter.
I guess rather than debate, i would be willing to put a wager on it.
Youve said how much you think the car will weigh, i say it will be at least 100 lbs less.
Anything in the middle is a tie, and thats doing you a favor, because i could simply say anything under your weight and i win... but im giving your guess an extra 100 lbs of error.
How much would you like to bet good sir?
07-29-2013, 01:31 AM
#42
Melting Slicks
pdk eliminates a clutch. so its heavier but in the end, by how much? And flywheel? Its fine... the bet is a simple bet... just pointing out a few things in the meantime.
Then to assume chevy wouldnt be able to shave weight on other connecting components like the rear diff, or the flywheel, driveshaft, etc.
Then to assume chevy wouldnt be able to shave weight on other connecting components like the rear diff, or the flywheel, driveshaft, etc.
07-29-2013, 01:31 AM
#43
Safety Car
How about these three, $100 each.
First bet: next model vette will not have wheels that shave 15lbs or more over the Z51 C7
Second bet: next model vette will not shave 100lbs or more from 3550lbs (I win if it weighs 3550lbs or over, you win if it is 3450 or under)
Third bet: I win if either GM does not make a true double clutch transmission OR it makes one but it is heavier than the manual in the Z51. You will if GM makes a true double clutch and it shaves weight.
Will you take these three together?
First bet: next model vette will not have wheels that shave 15lbs or more over the Z51 C7
Second bet: next model vette will not shave 100lbs or more from 3550lbs (I win if it weighs 3550lbs or over, you win if it is 3450 or under)
Third bet: I win if either GM does not make a true double clutch transmission OR it makes one but it is heavier than the manual in the Z51. You will if GM makes a true double clutch and it shaves weight.
Will you take these three together?
07-29-2013, 01:32 AM
#45
Melting Slicks
07-29-2013, 01:33 AM
#46
Melting Slicks
How about these three, $100 each.
First bet: next model vette will not have wheels that shave 15lbs or more over the Z51 C7
Second bet: next model vette will not shave 100lbs or more from 3550lbs (I win if it weighs 3550lbs or over, you win if it is 3450 or under)
Third bet: I win if either GM does not make a true double clutch transmission OR it makes one but it is heavier than the manual in the Z51. You will if GM makes a true double clutch and it shaves weight.
Will you take these three together?
First bet: next model vette will not have wheels that shave 15lbs or more over the Z51 C7
Second bet: next model vette will not shave 100lbs or more from 3550lbs (I win if it weighs 3550lbs or over, you win if it is 3450 or under)
Third bet: I win if either GM does not make a true double clutch transmission OR it makes one but it is heavier than the manual in the Z51. You will if GM makes a true double clutch and it shaves weight.
Will you take these three together?
And you know its going to weigh over... which is why you threw all that he and i had to say out the window.
So lets bet.
"the wheels are already forged!"
Great observation genius.
Last edited by irun4cops; 07-29-2013 at 01:35 AM.
07-29-2013, 01:37 AM
#47
Safety Car
no, i just know, that out of the long list of things, myself and the other gentelmen listed, that chevy can use to shave weight... the car will weigh under 3450 lbs.
And you know its going to weigh over... which is why you threw all that he and i had to say out the window.
So lets bet.
"the wheels are already forged!"
Great observation genius.
And you know its going to weigh over... which is why you threw all that he and i had to say out the window.
So lets bet.
"the wheels are already forged!"
Great observation genius.
07-29-2013, 01:38 AM
#48
Melting Slicks
no, ill take the 1 bet i proposed. So get your money out.
07-29-2013, 01:39 AM
#49
Melting Slicks
im making fun of your logic, that the reason you know the car cant shave weight, is because the wheels are already forged... when there are 2 other ways to make wheels that yield lighter weight. 
07-29-2013, 01:41 AM
#51
Melting Slicks
i even gave you a hundred lb cusion where you cant lose your money... and you know as well as i do... you're still going to lose.
So now... whats the point of you writing what you did if you already know you are wrong? people like you bug me.
I called you out on weight being higher by hundreds of lbs... a very ignorant statement after myself and the other gentleman took the time to list all the ways the car can shave weight.
I dont care how chevy choses to do it, i know they have plenty of choices.
Then you walk in and pretty much tell us we are wrong, and that none of our ideas are going to work.
And im simply saying... lets bet on that. You said ok... but then you try to hedge your bet because after giving it an extra 30 seconds of thought, you know you are wrong. And not just wrong a little... youre wrong by over 100 lbs.
And you know you are about to lose.
And thats all that im betting.
So now... whats the point of you writing what you did if you already know you are wrong? people like you bug me.
I called you out on weight being higher by hundreds of lbs... a very ignorant statement after myself and the other gentleman took the time to list all the ways the car can shave weight.
I dont care how chevy choses to do it, i know they have plenty of choices.
Then you walk in and pretty much tell us we are wrong, and that none of our ideas are going to work.
And im simply saying... lets bet on that. You said ok... but then you try to hedge your bet because after giving it an extra 30 seconds of thought, you know you are wrong. And not just wrong a little... youre wrong by over 100 lbs.
And you know you are about to lose.
And thats all that im betting.
Last edited by irun4cops; 07-29-2013 at 02:13 AM.
07-29-2013, 01:46 AM
#53
Melting Slicks
i will bet any amount on my single bet.
the other 2, are your way of trying to save face, but are not points i believe with certainty that chevy will do... only that they CAN do them. And that out of the long list of things i listed, they will have to do some.
And they have 20-60g to make that happen dont they?
So name your dollar amount.
the other 2, are your way of trying to save face, but are not points i believe with certainty that chevy will do... only that they CAN do them. And that out of the long list of things i listed, they will have to do some.
And they have 20-60g to make that happen dont they?
So name your dollar amount.
07-29-2013, 01:51 AM
#55
Melting Slicks
and then there was silence 
07-29-2013, 01:52 AM
#56
Safety Car
i will bet any amount on my single bet.
the other 2, are your way of trying to save face, but are not points i believe with certainty that chevy will do... only that they CAN do them. And that out of the long list of things i listed, they will have to do some.
And they have 20-60g to make that happen dont they?
So name your dollar amount.
the other 2, are your way of trying to save face, but are not points i believe with certainty that chevy will do... only that they CAN do them. And that out of the long list of things i listed, they will have to do some.
And they have 20-60g to make that happen dont they?
So name your dollar amount.
I'll take all three bets based on your arguments. 15lbs weight savings on the rims alone is outrageous, so is a lighter than manual DCT, or your convoluted weight bet. Take all 3 or leave it. That's the only way you can win this. Otherwise, I'll be left with you not trusting 2/3 of the arguments you make.
07-29-2013, 01:52 AM
#57
Melting Slicks
ill help you, ill bet 2000. Change the amount if you wish. More or less, fine with me.
07-29-2013, 01:54 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
dude, im not betting your other 2 bets... thats not the point of the thread. The point of the thread was total car weight.
You know youve lost, and you think we are all foolish enough to fall for your nonsense. Place your bet on the single bet i proposed... that you said you were so eager to bet.
I gave you 100 LBS!!!! of forgiveness to your expert opinion.
And you are too scared to bet.
What does that tell you about the stuff that comes out of your mouth?
You know youve lost, and you think we are all foolish enough to fall for your nonsense. Place your bet on the single bet i proposed... that you said you were so eager to bet.
I gave you 100 LBS!!!! of forgiveness to your expert opinion.
And you are too scared to bet.
What does that tell you about the stuff that comes out of your mouth?
07-29-2013, 01:56 AM
#59
Melting Slicks
and before you try to weasel out of something else...
we will specifically name the z06 as the model in debate.
we will specifically name the z06 as the model in debate.
07-29-2013, 01:58 AM
#60
Melting Slicks