First Impression: new Stingray looks like a Ferrari!
07-21-2013, 07:57 PM
#41
Burning Brakes
Gents, interesting article in the new BBC Top Gear Special Edition "Supercars 2013". Nice article on the new Stingray, but on pg. 027, they note the striking similarity between the Ferrari 599 Fiorino GTO version, and the C7 in a sidebar titled "Shape Swap". They note the differences as "a Yankee bayonet to an Italian brushstroke". Since, I believe, the 599 is the best looking front engine Ferrari since the 275 GTB/4, this is high praise.
I think the C6 is beautiful car, improving on the C5 by reducing bulk and adding definition to the car's classic coupe shape. The C7 builds on the C6 AND the 599, but has enough new twists to make it unique. Ed Wellburn's team deserves a lot of credit, even if they took a big risk with the aft-end. Personally I like the 4 round taillights, but nothing lasts forever...the new taillights are growing on me, and the LED treatments are pretty cool in the pictures I've seen. Can't wait to see one in the flesh....of course the LEDs could have been applied to a set of round taillights also, with good effect.
Interestingly, the new F12 retains the 599's classic wide-spaced single round taillights which go all the way back to the 250 GTO, but change everything else - for the worse in my opinion. The C7 changed everything for the better. I love it.
I think the C6 is beautiful car, improving on the C5 by reducing bulk and adding definition to the car's classic coupe shape. The C7 builds on the C6 AND the 599, but has enough new twists to make it unique. Ed Wellburn's team deserves a lot of credit, even if they took a big risk with the aft-end. Personally I like the 4 round taillights, but nothing lasts forever...the new taillights are growing on me, and the LED treatments are pretty cool in the pictures I've seen. Can't wait to see one in the flesh....of course the LEDs could have been applied to a set of round taillights also, with good effect.
Interestingly, the new F12 retains the 599's classic wide-spaced single round taillights which go all the way back to the 250 GTO, but change everything else - for the worse in my opinion. The C7 changed everything for the better. I love it.
07-21-2013, 08:01 PM
#42
I'm sorry but I just do not understand all the talk about the C6 looking "dated" compared to the C7. It's simply just new to your eyes. You haven't seen one. In contrast, you have been looking at the C6 for 9 years. As time passes, you will begin to look at the two designs as simply being different; similar to how you view the C1 versus the C2 now.
BTW, the C1 has always looked older than the C2 to me. C1 is much more '50s.
I like both the C6 and the C7 designs. BUT, I see the C7 as more than just new. I see it as a lot better. I still like my '05 vert and I will be driving and enjoying it for at least a year or two while I search for my lightly used C7.
07-21-2013, 08:05 PM
#43
Seeing the new is exactly how the old looks 'dated'. Thats how it works.
BTW, the C1 has always looked older than the C2 to me. C1 is much more '50s.
I like both the C6 and the C7 designs. BUT, I see the C7 as more than just new. I see it as a lot better. I still like my '05 vert and I will be driving and enjoying it for at least a year or two while I search for my lightly used C7.
BTW, the C1 has always looked older than the C2 to me. C1 is much more '50s.
I like both the C6 and the C7 designs. BUT, I see the C7 as more than just new. I see it as a lot better. I still like my '05 vert and I will be driving and enjoying it for at least a year or two while I search for my lightly used C7.
07-21-2013, 08:30 PM
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Of course, that's not what we're talking about though. We're talking about design and design cues. I think it's pretty inarguable that the c6 in that picture looks outdated from a design standpoint. Modern design cues are about blended, sexy curves. The c7 is a good example of that - with the exception of the corvette's trademark blocky rear-end, but even that has been rounded and smoothed on the c7. The c6, on the other hand, is a bunch of hard and straight edges. Putting gills and other wingdings on it doesn't hide that.
While beauty/better is in the eye of the beholder, and gents can agree to disagree on that stuff, I think it's pretty safely "inarguable" that the c7 design is much more modern. In that sense, there's really nothing to debate when it comes to old vs new.
07-21-2013, 10:52 PM
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16 Vettes and counting…..
For a car that doesn't concern you, you've made several posts discussing it in detail. Who are you trying to convince that your armchair design theories are the $hit.....yourself or others? No one asked for your opinion so it's obviously quite important to you that everyone knows you've proclaimed that the C6 is outdated, old, or.....blah, blah blah. I like the C6 and the C7. It's easy to bash either one, but totally unnecessary unless you're someone who has an axe to grind. Both are great cars and always will be (of course I'm assuming this about the C7 since they haven't sold any yet). Neither car is a cure for cancer so chill out and try enjoy the fact that cars of this type are a luxury and we're lucky they're still being built. Being condescending to those who enjoy a car that is not of your choice says quite a bit about you.
07-21-2013, 11:33 PM
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Really?? For a car that doesn't concern you, you've made several posts discussing it in detail. Who are you trying to convince that your armchair design theories are the $hit.....yourself or others? No one asked for your opinion so it's obviously quite important to you that everyone knows you've proclaimed that the C6 is outdated, old, or.....blah, blah blah.
For a car that doesn't concern you, you've made several posts discussing it in detail. Who are you trying to convince that your armchair design theories are the $hit.....yourself or others? No one asked for your opinion so it's obviously quite important to you that everyone knows you've proclaimed that the C6 is outdated, old, or.....blah, blah blah.You're coming off as super angry, and it's unwarranted. They're both just cars. The C7 is a new car, and it looks new. It follows modern design trends. The C6 is old, and it looks old. It does not follow many of the more modern design trends. It's easy to admit.
Don't be silly. Go up a couple posts and see I admitted I was wrong, used too much hyperbole in my initial post, and apologized and retracted my statement. But here you are, pontificated angrily about nothing really. The C6 is an old model. It shows. That, however, doesn't mean it's the equivalent of dog droppings (even if I admit that it does nothing for me). Is it really that infuriating? No need to get all personal about it.
07-22-2013, 12:32 AM
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Wow really? My 3 or so posts in this thread are "several posts discussing it in detail" in which im "trying to convince that my armchair design theories are th $hit" and so on?
You're coming off as super angry, and it's unwarranted. They're both just cars. The C7 is a new car, and it looks new. It follows modern design trends. The C6 is old, and it looks old. It does not follow many of the more modern design trends. It's easy to admit.
Unsure why you're telling me to chill out. You're the one getting worked up. All I've done is said one car looks old, and because it's a car that you happen to like, you're acting offended. Not really a big deal to me - I'm not emotionally involved in the same way apparently.
Don't be silly. Go up a couple posts and see I admitted I was wrong, used too much hyperbole in my initial post, and apologized and retracted my statement. But here you are, pontificated angrily about nothing really. The C6 is an old model. It shows. That, however, doesn't mean it's the equivalent of dog droppings (even if I admit that it does nothing for me). Is it really that infuriating? No need to get all personal about it.
You're coming off as super angry, and it's unwarranted. They're both just cars. The C7 is a new car, and it looks new. It follows modern design trends. The C6 is old, and it looks old. It does not follow many of the more modern design trends. It's easy to admit.
Unsure why you're telling me to chill out. You're the one getting worked up. All I've done is said one car looks old, and because it's a car that you happen to like, you're acting offended. Not really a big deal to me - I'm not emotionally involved in the same way apparently.
Don't be silly. Go up a couple posts and see I admitted I was wrong, used too much hyperbole in my initial post, and apologized and retracted my statement. But here you are, pontificated angrily about nothing really. The C6 is an old model. It shows. That, however, doesn't mean it's the equivalent of dog droppings (even if I admit that it does nothing for me). Is it really that infuriating? No need to get all personal about it.
07-22-2013, 01:37 AM
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Nice, taking your ball and going home. No problem, I'm somehow a troll because I prefer the c7 to a car that isn't the c7, and I'm on a c7 forum. Imagine that! (unsure what you're looking for here)
07-22-2013, 02:37 AM
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Indeed yes, but it also resembles the Lotus Elite Concept you posted up the other day. So I would think the Ferrari 599 is the most dominant influence and how it associates to the F12, as well the Nissan GTR having contributed to the C7 design.
It seems this is the shape of things to come, as the proposed new design language most sports car manufacturers will be evaluating.
It seems this is the shape of things to come, as the proposed new design language most sports car manufacturers will be evaluating.
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07-22-2013, 07:17 AM
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Plenty of room for controversy over the rear of both these cars. Looking at the rear of the Ferrari the first thing I thought of the center portion was that it resembled a "woman part." Why wasn't there an uproar about this from the Ferrari faithful?
07-22-2013, 09:10 AM
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07-22-2013, 11:52 AM
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You sound like every wannabe Lamborghini owner who gets an R8 and tells everyone within earshot it's the "same" as a Lambo.
Only your analogy is even more ridiculous.
It's not. You know it, everyone who knows cars knows it and everyone at the car show knows it. But if it helps you sleep better....
07-22-2013, 12:22 PM
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16 Vettes and counting…..
07-22-2013, 02:43 PM
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The torch red on the 7 doesn't seem to have any more orange in it than the red on the F12. Maybe it's the lighting, but the 7 seems pretty "red" in those pics.
07-22-2013, 03:03 PM
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Melting Slicks
Saw one at Livernois and South blvd Saturday while sitting at the stop light. My friend in the car said whoa look at that Ferrari... err what is that?! I had to explain it was the new vette. 