FE4: Another Magnetic Selective Ride Thread
06-03-2013, 11:14 PM
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That's a pretty resounding "GET IT." Thanks guys, I won't cut costs there.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
06-03-2013, 11:26 PM
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Well, I love the OEM bi-mode exhaust on the ZR1 (w/M2W switch installed), and my aforementioned '09 coupe
had the NPP option. The sound with the flaps open is just great...
I realize it's easy for us to spend your money...
had the NPP option. The sound with the flaps open is just great...
I realize it's easy for us to spend your money...
06-04-2013, 01:00 AM
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That's a pretty resounding "GET IT." Thanks guys, I won't cut costs there.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
z51, 2LT, NPP (exhaust), FE4 (mag suspension), caliper coloring, black wheels, 6-speed automatic.
NPP is worth it IMO and is not just about the extra HP.
Same with the Mag ride,.. it not just about a better ride.
It's the most advanced Handling suspension there is for all around use, including Track.
And now with the C7, as already mentioned, it has 7 different ride and handling setting All incorporated to act in concert with the NPP and the Mag Ride
You won't regret spending the extra money if you get everything on your list.
But you will regret not getting one of those options after the fact
06-04-2013, 01:55 AM
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Z51 would be the first priority to me, while FE4 would come in a strong second.
Nobody has mentioned this here...but you also get PTM with the MRC shocks, and I think people on this forum are forgetting all about that. PTM will be outstanding. It made Justin Bell a faster driver for crying out loud.
I'd also REALLY want HUD too.
Nobody has mentioned this here...but you also get PTM with the MRC shocks, and I think people on this forum are forgetting all about that. PTM will be outstanding. It made Justin Bell a faster driver for crying out loud.
I'd also REALLY want HUD too.
06-04-2013, 03:27 AM
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That's a pretty resounding "GET IT." Thanks guys, I won't cut costs there.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
Someone said to cut the NPP (performance exhaust). Thoughts on that? Has anyone seen a comparison of what the smaller stock pipes look like compared to the performance pipes? I was thinking that a factory installed mechanical exhaust system like the NPP is a decent buy even though it's only 6 extra HP.
As for NPP, you won't notice any sort of performance difference at all. It's all aesthetics and noise. It does make the car sound better at wide open throttle. But it's totally a personal preference sort of thing. You can skip it and save some money. I would definitely take the mag ride over the NPP.
06-04-2013, 04:07 AM
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Yep. I've never heard anything bad about Mag Suspension.
As for NPP, you won't notice any sort of performance difference at all. It's all aesthetics and noise. It does make the car sound better at wide open throttle. But it's totally a personal preference sort of thing. You can skip it and save some money. I would definitely take the mag ride over the NPP.
As for NPP, you won't notice any sort of performance difference at all. It's all aesthetics and noise. It does make the car sound better at wide open throttle. But it's totally a personal preference sort of thing. You can skip it and save some money. I would definitely take the mag ride over the NPP.
06-04-2013, 07:27 AM
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exactly what I was going to say. Drop the NPP. Im getting all the OP is getting but no NPP and yes to MSR. I will be getting an even better exhaust when Borla / Corsa come out with one. Just my opinion though.
06-04-2013, 09:32 AM
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If your spending the money for a new c7....it's about the performance, the look, the feel (MRC) and the sound...NPP..
MRC is 1800... NPP is 1200... Since you asked for opinions...that 3 grand is well spent on yourself and continuing over the life of the vehicle ...
You ve got to be over 60 grand...the extra 5 % is money well spent..
MRC is 1800... NPP is 1200... Since you asked for opinions...that 3 grand is well spent on yourself and continuing over the life of the vehicle ...
You ve got to be over 60 grand...the extra 5 % is money well spent..
06-04-2013, 09:41 AM
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If your spending the money for a new c7....it's about the performance, the look, the feel (MRC) and the sound...NPP..
MRC is 1800... NPP is 1200... Since you asked for opinions...that 3 grand is well spent on yourself and continuing over the life of the vehicle ...
You ve got to be over 60 grand...the extra 5 % is money well spent..
MRC is 1800... NPP is 1200... Since you asked for opinions...that 3 grand is well spent on yourself and continuing over the life of the vehicle ...
You ve got to be over 60 grand...the extra 5 % is money well spent..
06-04-2013, 05:51 PM
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Here's the thing:
For a production car, the magnetically-adjustable suspension slated for the C7 is the most versatile and the most intelligent damping and suspension management system in the world.
Versions of this system are installed in some of the finest and most outrageously expensive supercars and luxury GTs known to Man. And it all started with a General Motors subsidiary called Delphi.
If automobile suppliers could produce this system at a low cost, we would see magnetically-adjustable suspensions on almost EVERY car. It's that good. It's not a cosmetic thing; it utterly transforms the driving experience.
So... I agree with the guys above: the magnetic suspension is worth paying for. And if the price is too much, well, then maybe it's better to pick up a low-mileage used C7 in two years or so.
Just my two cents.
And the only exception I'd make is if I was a frequent competitor in need of a racing-grade, always-on suspension for the track.
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For a production car, the magnetically-adjustable suspension slated for the C7 is the most versatile and the most intelligent damping and suspension management system in the world.
Versions of this system are installed in some of the finest and most outrageously expensive supercars and luxury GTs known to Man. And it all started with a General Motors subsidiary called Delphi.
If automobile suppliers could produce this system at a low cost, we would see magnetically-adjustable suspensions on almost EVERY car. It's that good. It's not a cosmetic thing; it utterly transforms the driving experience.
So... I agree with the guys above: the magnetic suspension is worth paying for. And if the price is too much, well, then maybe it's better to pick up a low-mileage used C7 in two years or so.
Just my two cents.
And the only exception I'd make is if I was a frequent competitor in need of a racing-grade, always-on suspension for the track.
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06-04-2013, 07:47 PM
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NPP also gives you (4) 4" exhaust tips, whereas without it all (4) tips are 3" in diameter.
And, seconding many of the above posts about how great MSRC is, every Ferrari now leaves the factory with GM's generation II MSRC.
The C7 debuts the much improved generation III MSRC system. The new system has two coils introducing electric fields into the shocks, allowing quicker activation of the damping and even more important, allows the electrically induced force field to dissipate much quicker --softening up the shocks much, much faster when conditions warrant. According to GM's hot-shoe Jim Mero, gen III magnetorheological shocks are a huge improvement over the gen II mr shocks.
And, seconding many of the above posts about how great MSRC is, every Ferrari now leaves the factory with GM's generation II MSRC.
The C7 debuts the much improved generation III MSRC system. The new system has two coils introducing electric fields into the shocks, allowing quicker activation of the damping and even more important, allows the electrically induced force field to dissipate much quicker --softening up the shocks much, much faster when conditions warrant. According to GM's hot-shoe Jim Mero, gen III magnetorheological shocks are a huge improvement over the gen II mr shocks.
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06-04-2013, 10:31 PM
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The Z51 will have Magnetic Ride for a softer ride in Tour, but it will also have (probably) stiffer springs, stiffer sways, and lower-profile tires.
When you add it all up, the base model might have a softer ride than the Z51 Mag Ride in Tour, or not. Only GM knows, and they ain't tellin' yet.
The only way to make an informed decision will be to test drive both setups on the same bumpy road.
When you add it all up, the base model might have a softer ride than the Z51 Mag Ride in Tour, or not. Only GM knows, and they ain't tellin' yet.
The only way to make an informed decision will be to test drive both setups on the same bumpy road.
06-05-2013, 02:16 AM
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Yep.
Unless you are the type to drive your Vette only to church on Sundays.. I dont understand why people will pay for the NPP option, but wont pay for the FE4 option. There are lots of quality aftermarket bolt on exhaust systems that are easy to install, sound better and dont have on/off switched sound of the NPP. I'll take Corsa over NPP every single time.. even if NPP is cheaper and factory installed.
Yep.
It gives a double benefit. The street ride will be softer than the standard setup. The performance/track ride will be firmer than the standard setup. Actually make that a triple benefit as it includes the 5-selector driving **** to adjust 12 different settings on the car for any situation you'd drive it in. Its literally a win-win-win. This is the same technology that Ferrari copies from GM and pays royalties to GM for using. Just think about that for a second. If its good enough for Ferrari.. its good enough for you. The price is a no brainer.
Unless you are the type to drive your Vette only to church on Sundays.. I dont understand why people will pay for the NPP option, but wont pay for the FE4 option. There are lots of quality aftermarket bolt on exhaust systems that are easy to install, sound better and dont have on/off switched sound of the NPP. I'll take Corsa over NPP every single time.. even if NPP is cheaper and factory installed.
Yep.
It gives a double benefit. The street ride will be softer than the standard setup. The performance/track ride will be firmer than the standard setup. Actually make that a triple benefit as it includes the 5-selector driving **** to adjust 12 different settings on the car for any situation you'd drive it in. Its literally a win-win-win. This is the same technology that Ferrari copies from GM and pays royalties to GM for using. Just think about that for a second. If its good enough for Ferrari.. its good enough for you. The price is a no brainer.
I can turn the NPP system on and off, exactly why I'm buying it. Wish I had a nickel for every complaint about headaches from the constant drone of after market exhausts that I've read on these forums.
06-05-2013, 10:13 AM
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The Z51 will have Magnetic Ride for a softer ride in Tour, but it will also have (probably) stiffer springs, stiffer sways, and lower-profile tires.
When you add it all up, the base model might have a softer ride than the Z51 Mag Ride in Tour, or not. Only GM knows, and they ain't tellin' yet.
The only way to make an informed decision will be to test drive both setups on the same bumpy road.
When you add it all up, the base model might have a softer ride than the Z51 Mag Ride in Tour, or not. Only GM knows, and they ain't tellin' yet.
The only way to make an informed decision will be to test drive both setups on the same bumpy road.
06-05-2013, 10:23 AM
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06-05-2013, 10:29 AM
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I agree...kinda short sided. My '05 vert has it although I'm sure the new version is way better now.
I really wonder how much of that is because they have so integrated the eLSD, tires, and MSRC to work together with the various Driver Modes.
I really wonder how much of that is because they have so integrated the eLSD, tires, and MSRC to work together with the various Driver Modes.
06-05-2013, 10:38 AM
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