Have the HP numbers changed your buying decision
05-29-2013, 12:36 AM
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05-29-2013, 12:43 AM
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No, it hasn't changed my opinion. The numbers are a big upgrade from what I'm currently driving and I'm grateful for that.
I think when the magazines and CF members get their hands on the car, the big revelation won't be numbers, it will be a car that drives smaller and feels more nimble. 911 type feel with V8 type shove will be great if it happens. That's what I want.
Never mind the histrionic CF members. The people bothered by numbers are really just a different type of poser. They aren't racing professionally. They won't use their cars to put food on the table. They don't line up on the weekend against other guys for a paycheck. GM didn't derail their promising racing careers with the C7. It's still just alot of wanking at the end of the day
I think when the magazines and CF members get their hands on the car, the big revelation won't be numbers, it will be a car that drives smaller and feels more nimble. 911 type feel with V8 type shove will be great if it happens. That's what I want.
Never mind the histrionic CF members. The people bothered by numbers are really just a different type of poser. They aren't racing professionally. They won't use their cars to put food on the table. They don't line up on the weekend against other guys for a paycheck. GM didn't derail their promising racing careers with the C7. It's still just alot of wanking at the end of the day
You're way off base here. The people that are racing professionally aren't using showroom stock vehicles, unless they're in the small minority that are racing in the showroom stock class. To the racer, the hp number doesn't make as much difference because they are going to mod the car in a way that voids factory warranties, signigicantly shortens the life span of the engine and doesn't meet emissions requirements. For the sports car enthusiast that wants a fast car for weekend drives on twisty roads and wants to do occasional track days, the hp number is very important, but that is in the context of keeping the car smog legal and without voiding the warranty.
If the hp number wasn't important, that would imply that accelleration and top speed isn't important. After all, that is what more hp gives you, right? If the hp number wasn't iomportant, we would all just go out and buy the good looking, great handling, but underpowered Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for $28,000.
05-29-2013, 12:51 AM
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Well, you are comparing a C5 Z06 to a C7 Stingray..NOT a Z06. It was 2002 when the C5 Z06 was at 405Hp. A better comparing 2002 C5 Z06 405Hp to 2006 C6 Z06 505Hp. 100Hp in 4 years..that's pretty good to me. Let's see with the C7 Z06.
Again..not a fair comparision. Better comparison is C6 Z06 although it added a little more weight but is much faster. I do believe the C7 Z06..if they decide to make one..it will also be the lightest C7...just as history has shown the Z06 model was the lightest of all the corvette model starting from the C5 and up.
Again..not a fair comparision. Better comparison is C6 Z06 although it added a little more weight but is much faster. I do believe the C7 Z06..if they decide to make one..it will also be the lightest C7...just as history has shown the Z06 model was the lightest of all the corvette model starting from the C5 and up.
05-29-2013, 12:56 AM
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You're way off base here. The people that are racing professionally aren't using showroom stock vehicles, unless they're in the small minority that are racing in the showroom stock class. To the racer, the hp number doesn't make as much difference because they are going to mod the car in a way that voids factory warranties, signigicantly shortens the life span of the engine and doesn't meet emissions requirements. For the sports car enthusiast that wants a fast car for weekend drives on twisty roads and wants to do occasional track days, the hp number is very important, but that is in the context of keeping the car smog legal and without voiding the warranty.
If the hp number wasn't important, that would imply that accelleration and top speed isn't important. After all, that is what more hp gives you, right? If the hp number wasn't iomportant, we would all just go out and buy the good looking, great handling, but underpowered Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for $28,000.
If the hp number wasn't important, that would imply that accelleration and top speed isn't important. After all, that is what more hp gives you, right? If the hp number wasn't iomportant, we would all just go out and buy the good looking, great handling, but underpowered Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for $28,000.
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05-29-2013, 01:04 AM
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There's a good bit of difference between 350/290 and 455/460. Even the S is only putting out 400/325. Pretty simikar to what we'll see with the C7, maybe a bit lighter than the Z51 version. The last 991S Road and Track tested came in at 3309 without a driver.
The Viper is about the same, I forgot about that car. Have to remember that both cars are $100K+ though. It still has weight advantage over the R8, F-Type, GT-R, GT500, ZL1, RS5, C63...
In comparison, the Corvette is still not heavy at all for its power/torque output.
The Viper is about the same, I forgot about that car. Have to remember that both cars are $100K+ though. It still has weight advantage over the R8, F-Type, GT-R, GT500, ZL1, RS5, C63...
In comparison, the Corvette is still not heavy at all for its power/torque output.
According to Porsche's web site, curb weight on the 400hp 911 S with PDK and sport chrono is 3,120 and 0-60 is 3.9 seconds. According to the press release with Corvette pricing, the C7 curb weight is 3,298 pounds without the Z51 package, which is 90 pounds heavier than the 2013 C6 coupe’s 3,208-pound curb weight.
With the extra coolers, diff lock and larger wheels and tires, the track worthy Z51 Corvette is easily going to weigh 250 lbs more than a 911 S. When Cevrolet said their performance target was the 911 S, they really meant it. It will take a 60 hp advantage for the heavier and slower shifting Corvette to keep up with a 911 S.
05-29-2013, 01:11 AM
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When they said 450hp I definitely wasn't going to buy one, and now that they confirmed that I am really glad that I bought my 4LT GS coupe for $20k off MSRP 
05-29-2013, 01:11 AM
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The specs I pulled showed the 991 Carrera S weighing in at 3100 lbs, so not sure what source is correct. But it is an example of a car that has added a bunch of tech and still shed weight from the previous gen.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
05-29-2013, 01:19 AM
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FYI, there are lots of dealers out there with lots of leftover '13 GSs and I doubt most of the serious C7 buyers have any interest in one, even at fire-sale pricing.
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05-29-2013, 01:22 AM
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How can anyone compare a C7 HP & weight to a 911S or even a Viper. Both of those cars have a starting MSRP 99k+ If GM raised the price in order to get you higher HP & lower weight would you be happy? 
05-29-2013, 01:44 AM
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And would I be happy if GM raised the price in order to get more horsepower and lower weight? YES PLEASE! I'd like a C7 Z06 now! I'm reluctantly considering buy a Z51 C7 because I don't want to wait until 2015, but I would prefer a car in the league of the Z06, GTR, 911 GT3, etc. Having a $75,000 Z06 in the 2014 line up, next to the $52,000 base model would be ideal. Posche has it right when they release the 911 and 911 S on the same model year, then come out with the GT3 and turbo later.
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05-29-2013, 02:10 AM
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You're right, it isn't just about HP. But again, if the C6 Z will outperform the C7 on the track then the C6 Z has more than just big HP. Based on your logic, I think you would be happier in something like a C63 AMG... lots of refinement and still enough power for your needs.
And I'll gladly take the Z06 badge any day. It will still stand out several years from now and still be somewhat exclusive. The C7 will be on every street corner and will only be cool for the first six months.
And I'll gladly take the Z06 badge any day. It will still stand out several years from now and still be somewhat exclusive. The C7 will be on every street corner and will only be cool for the first six months.
Did I drive my Z06 hard? Yes. Did I run it to red line a lot? Yes. Does that mean I should buy a Mercedes? Not at all. It just means that the C7 will have a lot more refinement. I could EASILY afford a C6 Z06. But I don't want one. I can make up that extra 40HP with some minor mods and tuning if that mattered that much. And honestly, 40HP isn't really a lot. And the weight isn't a big deal too. Minor mods, E85 and tuning should make up for all of it if I ever really needed to match a stock C6 Z06.
And sure, I know the "badge" is a status symbol. Welcome to the club. Lots of people were so "wowed" by the Z06 badge on the side of my Corvettes. Even had some dumb kid try to tell me my Z06 was a "clone" and he knew it because he was a car salesman at one time. (Derp)
Yeah, again, don't really care. I didn't buy my cars for "status". I bought them because I love driving sports cars.
Still think I should buy a Mercedes?
2 reasons:
1) If you paid any attention to any of the other E85 discussions I've been involved in, you'd see I actually care about the environment. And unlike many people on this forum, I believe 97% of the worlds scientists over conservative politicians when it comes to climate change.
2) Because when I want that power, it's there. Plain and simple.
Lets do some deductive reasoning:
Direct injection, Variable Valve Timing, better aerodynamics, narrower tires, higher gearing for a 3rd overdrive, and Active Fuel Management.
You SERIOUSLY think those are the numbers?
05-29-2013, 02:11 AM
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05-29-2013, 02:12 AM
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For the sports car enthusiast that wants a fast car for weekend drives on twisty roads and wants to do occasional track days, the hp number is very important, but that is in the context of keeping the car smog legal and without voiding the warranty.
If the hp number wasn't important, that would imply that accelleration and top speed isn't important. After all, that is what more hp gives you, right? If the hp number wasn't iomportant, we would all just go out and buy the good looking, great handling, but underpowered Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for $28,000.
If the hp number wasn't important, that would imply that accelleration and top speed isn't important. After all, that is what more hp gives you, right? If the hp number wasn't iomportant, we would all just go out and buy the good looking, great handling, but underpowered Subaru BRZ/Scion FRS for $28,000.
So until the driving reviews come in, I'm not bothered by the number not being at Veyron levels. Right now, it's just digits.
05-29-2013, 02:16 AM
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I don't like Mercedes. The Corvette is the total package to me. I like the refinements of the C7. That's the bonus but also the attraction. I've been driving a C5 Z06 for 4 years. I'm ready for a new car. The C7 makes more power, handles better, has better technology and better interior than my C5Zs ever had, even after mods. So the upgrade makes sense.
Did I drive my Z06 hard? Yes. Did I run it to red line a lot? Yes. Does that mean I should buy a Mercedes? Not at all. It just means that the C7 will have a lot more refinement. I could EASILY afford a C6 Z06. But I don't want one. I can make up that extra 40HP with some minor mods and tuning if that mattered that much. And honestly, 40HP isn't really a lot. And the weight isn't a big deal too. Minor mods, E85 and tuning should make up for all of it if I ever really needed to match a stock C6 Z06.
And sure, I know the "badge" is a status symbol. Welcome to the club. Lots of people were so "wowed" by the Z06 badge on the side of my Corvettes. Even had some dumb kid try to tell me my Z06 was a "clone" and he knew it because he was a car salesman at one time. (Derp)
Yeah, again, don't really care. I didn't buy my cars for "status". I bought them because I love driving sports cars.
Still think I should buy a Mercedes?
2 reasons:
1) If you paid any attention to any of the other E85 discussions I've been involved in, you'd see I actually care about the environment. And unlike many people on this forum, I believe 97% of the worlds scientists over conservative politicians when it comes to climate change.
2) Because when I want that power, it's there. Plain and simple.
OH!!! Amazing! You found a hidden press release. Please, share a link. Because everyone else who's been paying attention have heard that the MPG "SURPASSES" 26 MPG highway. But, just like those people who said "450/450 are the numbers" since they didn't pay attention either, you're getting this wrong.
Lets do some deductive reasoning:
Direct injection, Variable Valve Timing, better aerodynamics, narrower tires, higher gearing for a 3rd overdrive, and Active Fuel Management.
You SERIOUSLY think those are the numbers?
Did I drive my Z06 hard? Yes. Did I run it to red line a lot? Yes. Does that mean I should buy a Mercedes? Not at all. It just means that the C7 will have a lot more refinement. I could EASILY afford a C6 Z06. But I don't want one. I can make up that extra 40HP with some minor mods and tuning if that mattered that much. And honestly, 40HP isn't really a lot. And the weight isn't a big deal too. Minor mods, E85 and tuning should make up for all of it if I ever really needed to match a stock C6 Z06.
And sure, I know the "badge" is a status symbol. Welcome to the club. Lots of people were so "wowed" by the Z06 badge on the side of my Corvettes. Even had some dumb kid try to tell me my Z06 was a "clone" and he knew it because he was a car salesman at one time. (Derp)
Yeah, again, don't really care. I didn't buy my cars for "status". I bought them because I love driving sports cars.
Still think I should buy a Mercedes?
2 reasons:
1) If you paid any attention to any of the other E85 discussions I've been involved in, you'd see I actually care about the environment. And unlike many people on this forum, I believe 97% of the worlds scientists over conservative politicians when it comes to climate change.
2) Because when I want that power, it's there. Plain and simple.
OH!!! Amazing! You found a hidden press release. Please, share a link. Because everyone else who's been paying attention have heard that the MPG "SURPASSES" 26 MPG highway. But, just like those people who said "450/450 are the numbers" since they didn't pay attention either, you're getting this wrong.
Lets do some deductive reasoning:
Direct injection, Variable Valve Timing, better aerodynamics, narrower tires, higher gearing for a 3rd overdrive, and Active Fuel Management.
You SERIOUSLY think those are the numbers?
