Have the HP numbers changed your buying decision
05-28-2013, 10:15 PM
#81
The Viper is about the same, I forgot about that car. Have to remember that both cars are $100K+ though. It still has weight advantage over the R8, F-Type, GT-R, GT500, ZL1, RS5, C63...
In comparison, the Corvette is still not heavy at all for its power/torque output.
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05-28-2013, 10:19 PM
#82
Race Director
I'll admit the Halltech thread had me working the numbers on trading in the Grand Sport. But now, nah.
05-28-2013, 10:22 PM
#84
No, it hasn't changed my opinion. The numbers are a big upgrade from what I'm currently driving and I'm grateful for that.
I think when the magazines and CF members get their hands on the car, the big revelation won't be numbers, it will be a car that drives smaller and feels more nimble. 911 type feel with V8 type shove will be great if it happens. That's what I want.
Never mind the histrionic CF members. The people bothered by numbers are really just a different type of poser. They aren't racing professionally. They won't use their cars to put food on the table. They don't line up on the weekend against other guys for a paycheck. GM didn't derail their promising racing careers with the C7. It's still just alot of wanking at the end of the day
I think when the magazines and CF members get their hands on the car, the big revelation won't be numbers, it will be a car that drives smaller and feels more nimble. 911 type feel with V8 type shove will be great if it happens. That's what I want.
Never mind the histrionic CF members. The people bothered by numbers are really just a different type of poser. They aren't racing professionally. They won't use their cars to put food on the table. They don't line up on the weekend against other guys for a paycheck. GM didn't derail their promising racing careers with the C7. It's still just alot of wanking at the end of the day
05-28-2013, 10:23 PM
#85
Burning Brakes
The specs I pulled showed the 991 Carrera S weighing in at 3100 lbs, so not sure what source is correct. But it is an example of a car that has added a bunch of tech and still shed weight from the previous gen.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
05-28-2013, 10:24 PM
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I'll take the refinement of the C7 over a C6 any day. That's the reason I didn't buy a C6, and instead bought another C5Z. (I like to daily my Corvette even if I don't have to.)
But, don't fret. We all know what makes us tick. HP makes you tick. Being comfortable in my car makes me tick. At the end of the day, you're not going to use the 505HP in your C6Z more than I'm going to use the 200-300HP in the lower end of the RPM range on my car. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be revving the **** out of your car 100% of the time it's on. So when you drive your Z on the streets, it's just a badge.
Have a nice day.
05-28-2013, 10:27 PM
#87
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I own a c6. I enjoy running to redline all the time. I also agree the new c7 will. Be the faster driving machine and hot dam if it's not sexy as he'll.
05-28-2013, 10:28 PM
#88
Safety Car
I only stray in the sub-forums for the cars I own, have owned, or intend to own. When I was saving up for a C6z, I posted a few times in there, but once I bought my 800hp FRC priorities shifted. Now I'm on a 3 year plan to save up and buy a C7 to go along with my FRC. So the two places I stay in, are the C5 and C7 section.
I do not go into other sub-forums and **** all over the owners and future owners who are interested in the cars. Otherwise, I could laugh at the C6 guys who's steering wheels resemble Cobalts, and ask how many still have their roofs intact.
I don't, as those cars don't interest me anymore, and I don't want to alienate a group of Corvette enthusiasts, in their neighborhood. Let them enjoy their cars. Let us C7 enthusiasts focus on our future purchases. And grow the hell up, rather than staying around here just to stir things up and **** people off with your unfounded complaints on a car that you have no intention of buying. You are adding NOTHING of value to this sub-forum.
I do not go into other sub-forums and **** all over the owners and future owners who are interested in the cars. Otherwise, I could laugh at the C6 guys who's steering wheels resemble Cobalts, and ask how many still have their roofs intact.
I don't, as those cars don't interest me anymore, and I don't want to alienate a group of Corvette enthusiasts, in their neighborhood. Let them enjoy their cars. Let us C7 enthusiasts focus on our future purchases. And grow the hell up, rather than staying around here just to stir things up and **** people off with your unfounded complaints on a car that you have no intention of buying. You are adding NOTHING of value to this sub-forum.
05-28-2013, 10:31 PM
#89
Team Owner
Does he go into the C6 section when he does it Dan? Because if he doesn't, your whole argument has been ripped to shreds.
05-28-2013, 10:36 PM
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Safety Car
05-28-2013, 10:36 PM
#91
Le Mans Master
05-28-2013, 10:37 PM
#92
The specs I pulled showed the 991 Carrera S weighing in at 3100 lbs, so not sure what source is correct. But it is an example of a car that has added a bunch of tech and still shed weight from the previous gen.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
And for the Viper being about the same weight with roughly 200 more HP is pretty impressive. Keep in mind that when the HI-PO C7 comes out, if it's in the 600HP range, we are going to be talking probably close to 200lb in added weight... Now we are in the 3500-3600lb range. Unacceptable for any Corvette in my book.
05-28-2013, 10:41 PM
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05-28-2013, 10:41 PM
#96
Burning Brakes
LOL! I didn't say the C6Z wasn't going to outperform the C7. I said that if all you care about is HP, sell the C6Z and buy the GT500. It has way more HP. And as only YOU know, HP is everything.
I'll take the refinement of the C7 over a C6 any day. That's the reason I didn't buy a C6, and instead bought another C5Z. (I like to daily my Corvette even if I don't have to.)
But, don't fret. We all know what makes us tick. HP makes you tick. Being comfortable in my car makes me tick. At the end of the day, you're not going to use the 505HP in your C6Z more than I'm going to use the 200-300HP in the lower end of the RPM range on my car. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be revving the **** out of your car 100% of the time it's on. So when you drive your Z on the streets, it's just a badge.
Have a nice day.
I'll take the refinement of the C7 over a C6 any day. That's the reason I didn't buy a C6, and instead bought another C5Z. (I like to daily my Corvette even if I don't have to.)
But, don't fret. We all know what makes us tick. HP makes you tick. Being comfortable in my car makes me tick. At the end of the day, you're not going to use the 505HP in your C6Z more than I'm going to use the 200-300HP in the lower end of the RPM range on my car. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be revving the **** out of your car 100% of the time it's on. So when you drive your Z on the streets, it's just a badge.
Have a nice day.
And I'll gladly take the Z06 badge any day. It will still stand out several years from now and still be somewhat exclusive. The C7 will be on every street corner and will only be cool for the first six months.
05-28-2013, 10:42 PM
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05-28-2013, 10:43 PM
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05-28-2013, 10:47 PM
#99
Le Mans Master
LOL! I didn't say the C6Z wasn't going to outperform the C7. I said that if all you care about is HP, sell the C6Z and buy the GT500. It has way more HP. And as only YOU know, HP is everything.
I'll take the refinement of the C7 over a C6 any day. That's the reason I didn't buy a C6, and instead bought another C5Z. (I like to daily my Corvette even if I don't have to.)
But, don't fret. We all know what makes us tick. HP makes you tick. Being comfortable in my car makes me tick. At the end of the day, you're not going to use the 505HP in your C6Z more than I'm going to use the 200-300HP in the lower end of the RPM range on my car. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be revving the **** out of your car 100% of the time it's on. So when you drive your Z on the streets, it's just a badge.
Have a nice day.
I'll take the refinement of the C7 over a C6 any day. That's the reason I didn't buy a C6, and instead bought another C5Z. (I like to daily my Corvette even if I don't have to.)
But, don't fret. We all know what makes us tick. HP makes you tick. Being comfortable in my car makes me tick. At the end of the day, you're not going to use the 505HP in your C6Z more than I'm going to use the 200-300HP in the lower end of the RPM range on my car. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be revving the **** out of your car 100% of the time it's on. So when you drive your Z on the streets, it's just a badge.
Have a nice day.
05-28-2013, 10:49 PM
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Maybe the benefit isn't as dramatic on a slower spinning cam-in-block engine, but it seems like there would be even more to gain because 2 valve engines don't distribute the air/fuel charge as well as their 4 valve DOHC counterparts. From a physics standpoint, going to direct injection in a 2V engine should allow even more compression ratio increase and even larger gains in thermal efficiency than the 10% that we commonly see with 4V engines because the CR on port injection 2V engines is lower than on 4V port injection engines, but direct injection should allow them to become equals.