Now that we know the hp number is low why does everyone think they will up the power?
05-28-2013, 09:47 PM
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Really thanks for the laugh I needed that tonight 
Hopefully GM has solved the AFM issues with their engines because if not there are going to be a lot of pissed posters around this forum next year. And as far as modding the LT1 it won't be easy like the LS3 - like pulling the cylinder heads to do a cam install. Finally you get that awesome 4 cylinder DOD drone that sounds like a 4 cylinder Honda when it kicks in and you have headers on the car.
But don't worry I will enjoy hammering the C7's when I run into them on the street in my slow LS3
Hopefully GM has solved the AFM issues with their engines because if not there are going to be a lot of pissed posters around this forum next year. And as far as modding the LT1 it won't be easy like the LS3 - like pulling the cylinder heads to do a cam install. Finally you get that awesome 4 cylinder DOD drone that sounds like a 4 cylinder Honda when it kicks in and you have headers on the car.
But don't worry I will enjoy hammering the C7's when I run into them on the street in my slow LS3
I'm glad you figured out all on your lonesome all the issues that will happen in the future. It's like you have a crystal ball and junk.
The C7 won't have drone unless you mod the mufflers. I guess I won't have to worry about that.
They said they have a completely new PCV system, so the AFM issues likely won't exist. Nor will there be carbon build up issues.
And exactly what makes a LT1 any more difficult to mod than an LS3? An extra cover over the intake manifold? What, do you think there's extra cams or something? LOL It's still a pushrod small block V8. It should be no different from bolting on stuff to an LS3 in a Camaro or G8. Even doing heads should be about the same.
All this silly troll-like denial. Oh, and since the LT1's ECU is already cracked, give it a month or two and you'll see tune-only 480+ HP C7s trolling your area soon.
Intake, headers, tune and you're done.Enjoy getting spanked.
05-28-2013, 09:51 PM
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Except for the fact that at 6000 RPM, the LT1's torque has dropped to 400 lb-ft and still falling as the RPM climbs whereas the LS7's torque is still at 470 lb-ft at 6,200 RPM. At 6,600 RPM the LT1's torque is non existent as it just hit the rev limiter and lost all power and the LS7 still has another 500 RPM to make power.
Also, the Z06 makes its 505 hp at 6,500 rpm, which is 408 lb/ft of torque at that speed.
Like Chevy has said, the LT1 makes the same amount of torque/power as the LS7 up to 4,600 rpm, before it starts to fall behind.
But when it does fall behind on the top end, it's only down by 45 hp. The next generation chassis and electronics could very well keep up the base C7 with the C6 Z06.
05-28-2013, 09:55 PM
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OK... Make sense. Thought you were saying that the tires weren't up to the task and you could only trap 90.
05-28-2013, 10:05 PM
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Really thanks for the laugh I needed that tonight
Hopefully GM has solved the AFM issues with their engines because if not there are going to be a lot of pissed posters around this forum next year. And as far as modding the LT1 it won't be easy like the LS3 - like pulling the cylinder heads to do a cam install. Finally you get that awesome 4 cylinder DOD drone that sounds like a 4 cylinder Honda when it kicks in and you have headers on the car.
But don't worry I will enjoy hammering the C7's when I run into them on the street in my slow LS3
Hopefully GM has solved the AFM issues with their engines because if not there are going to be a lot of pissed posters around this forum next year. And as far as modding the LT1 it won't be easy like the LS3 - like pulling the cylinder heads to do a cam install. Finally you get that awesome 4 cylinder DOD drone that sounds like a 4 cylinder Honda when it kicks in and you have headers on the car.
But don't worry I will enjoy hammering the C7's when I run into them on the street in my slow LS3
If they made V4 compact sports cars, I would buy one. Inline 4's sound like crap.
05-28-2013, 10:18 PM
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Hey red, hows that massive 430 hp ls3!
I was completely right. The pdf posted the other day was NOT the announcement. I even said in one thread that it might be that number but that the pdf was not the official announcement everyone was saying it was.
Go back and look at it...it still isn't finished or correct.
http://media.gm.com/dld/content/medi...UPE-MANUAL.pdf
I was completely right. The pdf posted the other day was NOT the announcement. I even said in one thread that it might be that number but that the pdf was not the official announcement everyone was saying it was.
Go back and look at it...it still isn't finished or correct.
http://media.gm.com/dld/content/medi...UPE-MANUAL.pdf
05-28-2013, 10:20 PM
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Technology is continually improving suspension, chassis rigidity, power delivery, torque vectoring and grip. If the C7 is only marginally better than the C6, it is Chevrolet that will get blown off this forum!
05-28-2013, 10:55 PM
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All I'm saying is there is so much more to a car than horse power alone. I've driven C6s, C5s, and a C3. When I first drove his Camaro, I felt like I was cornering in my old F150 pickup truck. Gobs of power and torque, but imo, handles like a PU compared with any Corvette I've driven.
He feels the same way, he loves the feel and handling characteristics of a 'vette. He bought the Camaro because it has so much more horse power, period. He buys the most horse power he can, within his budget. That's his only consideration. That's what I was trying to convey, because I feel there is much more to a complete driving experience than hp alone.
05-28-2013, 11:06 PM
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You should go to Spring Mountain and find out firsthand just how fast a properly driven Camaro is with you giving chase in a Corvette ZR1. To the stopwatch, it's sure no F150.
05-29-2013, 01:06 AM
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On the other hand if they introduce it with close to 600hp to start like they should then I will eventually sell my GS coupe and get one of those when prices fall - butt ugly rear end and all
05-29-2013, 01:15 AM
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Scraping the splitter.
Actually with a mild cam and all the bolt-ons my slow LS3 put down 450rwhp through an A6, so I'm not real concerned about coming across a C7 on the road. Having $55,000 total invested for a brand new loaded 4LT GS coupe including all my mods has me smiling all the way to the bank.
Meanwhile, you just voided your entire powertrain warranty and have a car that likely won't sell as quickly or be as desirable as an unmodded, stock GS when you decide to sell it for a C7.
Congrats.
S.
05-29-2013, 07:14 AM
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I guess that no matter how I explain, there will always be someone who will respond with a stopwatch, and/or, trap time/speed, fan-boyism, etc.
I am simply saying that when I get out of my '13 GS LS3, and into his '13 ZL1, the height of the Camaro's seat off the ground, the mass across the front end, the weight, steering geometry, etc., makes me feel like I've just gotten into a pick up truck compared to the Corvette. All I am saying, is there is far more to a high performance car, than horse power alone.
Hey, it's all good I guess, everyone has their own opinion, as I have mine.
05-29-2013, 07:22 AM
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AIR FORCE VETERAN
On the other hand if they introduce it with close to 600hp to start like they should then I will eventually sell my GS coupe and get one of those when prices fall - butt ugly rear end and all
I disagree. I think C6 look good from the back. My C 5 is a bit wide but still a good one.
I disagree. I think C6 look good from the back. My C 5 is a bit wide but still a good one.
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05-29-2013, 08:50 AM
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I guess that no matter how I explain, there will always be someone who will respond with a stopwatch, and/or, trap time/speed, fan-boyism, etc.
I am simply saying that when I get out of my '13 GS LS3, and into his '13 ZL1, the height of the Camaro's seat off the ground, the mass across the front end, the weight, steering geometry, etc., makes me feel like I've just gotten into a pick up truck compared to the Corvette. All I am saying, is there is far more to a high performance car, than horse power alone.
Hey, it's all good I guess, everyone has their own opinion, as I have mine.
I am simply saying that when I get out of my '13 GS LS3, and into his '13 ZL1, the height of the Camaro's seat off the ground, the mass across the front end, the weight, steering geometry, etc., makes me feel like I've just gotten into a pick up truck compared to the Corvette. All I am saying, is there is far more to a high performance car, than horse power alone.
Hey, it's all good I guess, everyone has their own opinion, as I have mine.
That said I do have a C7 on order, and of course there will be some serious modding done to this new car as well. I have never been able to leave well enough alone when it comes to cars. There is always a modification that will get better performance and reliability.
05-29-2013, 08:54 AM
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The LS2 was in the C6 for 3 years with no hp change
The LS3 was in the C6 for 6 years with no hp change
Furthermore it seems very doubtful with the amount GM has invested in the development of the LT1 that the motor would be changed during the run of the C7. There's just no logical reason to expect a hp bump in the base C7 vette, and I think the 455 number assures that demand will drop considerably within the first model year.
The LS3 was in the C6 for 6 years with no hp change
Furthermore it seems very doubtful with the amount GM has invested in the development of the LT1 that the motor would be changed during the run of the C7. There's just no logical reason to expect a hp bump in the base C7 vette, and I think the 455 number assures that demand will drop considerably within the first model year.
05-29-2013, 08:58 AM
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Melting Slicks
GT-R makes 545HP, costs $116,710 at max trim level and does 0-60 in 2.7 seconds...at that price you're in ZR1 territory, but for all out acceleration the GT-R takes the cake with almost 100 fewer HP.
05-29-2013, 09:02 AM
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Well yee-hah, it seems like you're the winner of the horsepower per dollar contest.
Meanwhile, you just voided your entire powertrain warranty and have a car that likely won't sell as quickly or be as desirable as an unmodded, stock GS when you decide to sell it for a C7.
Congrats.
S.
Meanwhile, you just voided your entire powertrain warranty and have a car that likely won't sell as quickly or be as desirable as an unmodded, stock GS when you decide to sell it for a C7.
Congrats.
S.
I had 600 miles on the car when I did everything to it and it actually felt great doing it. I'm not trying to win any contest, but when GM announced 450hp and I saw that Camaro rear end on the car it made it real easy for me to go buy a deeply discounted C6. Granted the cosmetic flaws could be overlooked for the appropriate amount of increased performance, but that definitely isn't there from my standpoint.
Just thinking about driving on the street beside a C7 in 4 cylinder mode putting around kind of makes me chuckle
05-29-2013, 09:03 AM
#77
Le Mans Master
05-29-2013, 09:08 AM
#78
Melting Slicks
And one of my fave pics on one of my fave rides...94E in San Diego County!
Ok ending thread derailment!
05-29-2013, 09:09 AM
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Uhm no. Your math is wrong. 470 lb/ft torque at 6,200 rpm would be 555 hp. The Z06 only makes 505 hp.
Also, the Z06 makes its 505 hp at 6,500 rpm, which is 408 lb/ft of torque at that speed.
Like Chevy has said, the LT1 makes the same amount of torque/power as the LS7 up to 4,600 rpm, before it starts to fall behind.
But when it does fall behind on the top end, it's only down by 45 hp. The next generation chassis and electronics could very well keep up the base C7 with the C6 Z06.
Also, the Z06 makes its 505 hp at 6,500 rpm, which is 408 lb/ft of torque at that speed.
Like Chevy has said, the LT1 makes the same amount of torque/power as the LS7 up to 4,600 rpm, before it starts to fall behind.
But when it does fall behind on the top end, it's only down by 45 hp. The next generation chassis and electronics could very well keep up the base C7 with the C6 Z06.
05-29-2013, 09:33 AM
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Pretty rare to catch a Ferrari on the drag strip, so in a 1/4 mile sprint torque is very important. On a road course that extra grunt coming out of the curves is also nice. The Corvette racing team has made some huge gains in sorting out the C6, look forward to seeing what they will do with the C7. From what I have seen so far this new car should have much longer legs under her.