Any way for Joe Q. Public to talk to Tadge ???
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02-07-2013, 02:28 PM
#42
Pro
Thread Starter
I'd say, .. "Tadge, have you seen this? Why aren't you offering us this across the board, instead of that with the black painted rear end???
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
02-07-2013, 02:35 PM
#43
Team Owner
I'd say, .. "Tadge, have you seen this? Why aren't you offering us this across the board, instead of that with the black painted rear end???
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
02-07-2013, 02:35 PM
#44
Le Mans Master
2015 or so
The overwhelming majority, including myself, do not like the pic that you just posted. I find it odd that you think people would only dislike that picture just for the sake of arguing. I hate that exhaust and I actually like the contrast of carbon flash mettalic that is on the cars I have seen.
I'd say, .. "Tadge, have you seen this? Why aren't you offering us this across the board, instead of that with the black painted rear end???
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
02-07-2013, 02:55 PM
#46
Team Owner
When the C5 was released it was produced with a body colored rear lower fascia, a percentage of owners painted it black. When the C6 was released it had a contrasting black rear lower fascia, a percentage of owners painted it body colored. You are never going to appeal to everyone over every detail. I changed the rear lower fascia on my C5 to be black. I left my black rear lower fascia black on my red C6. I like the contrasting lower and happen to like the sharp contrast on the C7.
02-07-2013, 03:01 PM
#48
At Sebring last year (March 2012) during the question and answer session, someone asked if the C7 was going to have the Camaro tail lights. Tadge stood there and said "No it will not have Camaro tail lights". Now in my opinion he did not lie, as we all know they are not Camaro tail lights.
02-07-2013, 03:07 PM
#49
Team Owner
Ironically, the renderings that were being show even just a few weeks before the unveiling showed it all body color. Someone blacked out the bottom part and there was overwhelming approval on the thread that it looked a lot better blacked out. Low and behold that is what the car actually had at the introduction. Now we are getting photo shops going back the other way
Honestly, that's the problem with speculation or leaked or stolen information. Seldom has all the facts or representative of the final, finished product.
Even the picture above was a pre-reveal car. Heck, someone found evidence in some of the marketing photos of a car with first evolution brakes (still had the Brembo logo on them) and Dunlop tires. Until the reveal the design will be in flux and these are just evidence of that fact.
02-07-2013, 03:15 PM
#50
Scraping the splitter.
I'm just glad that the C7's designers had the forethought to add the steps on the front bumper for the 4 year old kid, walking by a C7 in a parking lot(restaurant, motel, etc), to use so he doesn't have to strain himself trying to climb on the hood of the car, to look into the vents to see what they are.
S.
02-07-2013, 03:21 PM
#51
2015 or so
The overwhelming majority, including myself, do not like the pic that you just posted. I find it odd that you think people would only dislike that picture just for the sake of arguing. I hate that exhaust and I actually like the contrast of carbon flash mettalic that is on the cars I have seen.
The overwhelming majority, including myself, do not like the pic that you just posted. I find it odd that you think people would only dislike that picture just for the sake of arguing. I hate that exhaust and I actually like the contrast of carbon flash mettalic that is on the cars I have seen.
I dislike that exhaust immensely and my eyes seem drawn to it so much that it is difficult to notice anything else.
02-07-2013, 04:13 PM
#54
Scraping the splitter.
I'd say, .. "Tadge, have you seen this? Why aren't you offering us this across the board, instead of that with the black painted rear end???
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
You should throw in a horizontal tape stripe across the back under "CORVETTE" for good measure.
S.
02-07-2013, 04:18 PM
#56
Safety Car
I was very clear what you whined about. No, it is not a valid question since, clearly, every inch of this car is gone over again and again and again by the designers and their supervisors and their upper-level management and finally the top management. Every generation of Corvette has had people who didn't like parts of it. Deal with it.
What's laughable is that you think that if you could just sit Tadge down and talk some sense into him...make him see the error of his ways...that he has just 'missed it' and you're just the guy to straighten him out. Who is full of it?
Apparently you think you have a fine eye for design so why don't you just toddle off and join the others in designing a new Jake?
02-07-2013, 04:22 PM
#57
Burning Brakes
I'd say, .. "Tadge, have you seen this? Why aren't you offering us this across the board, instead of that with the black painted rear end???
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
*Note, what makes this work so well is the flat black painted inset surround of the license plate. I know the bumper is a shade darker than the silver body but it's close enough to see how much better it looks over the high gloss contrasting black that's been shown so far. This looks awesome!, ... and who can deny it's not better looking than the factory choice, other than those that would argue just for the sake of it all.
Welcome to America. The the glory of this country is that you are completely welcome to benefit (and even profit) from GM's mistakes.
Design the replacement parts.
Detail the replacement colors.
Decide the prices you will charge for your products.
If the consumers agree, you win.
The questions you listed in the original post are not easily answered and assume the implicit accuracy of your assumptions. In any business, you are infinitely better off providing possible solutions than to get an admission of failure (which resolves nothing). In short, you're welcome to put your money where your mouth is.
02-07-2013, 04:37 PM
#58
Team Owner
I was at a large car show(my 56 was entered), called Car show for Kids. 100% the proceeds go to the United Way programs for kids. Plenty of things for kids to do and the $2 a head for people with their kids added to the daily take(in addition to the $25 to enter your car). They usually take in over $20,000 for the day.
I SAW a kid climb on the hood of a 1973 vette next to my car, that had flames painted on the hood/fenders. I guess the kid was drawn to the flames and he climbed aboard before anyone could stop him.
MY grandkid is now 30 years old and she is normally well behaved. But plenty of other Corvette owners have very young grandkids and anyone with young kids and young grandkids will admit that they can get into trouble in a blink of an eye. Do you really believe that momma deliberately gave junior that crayon and told him to draw on the living room walls all those neat things?
02-07-2013, 05:19 PM
#59
Melting Slicks
It's amazing how people seem to think that their own personal opinion is somehow fact, and it somehow carries more weight than those of the focus groups with whom GM worked when designing the C7.
If you don't like the car, don't buy it. I'm betting Corvette will see an increase in sales over the next few years as they attract buyers who previously would not have considered one.
S.
If you don't like the car, don't buy it. I'm betting Corvette will see an increase in sales over the next few years as they attract buyers who previously would not have considered one.
S.
Also, if the OP was paying attention, there were no focus groups on the exterior design features of the C7. Only on the interior.
I like it and so do a lot of others. There are a lot of others who don't like it at all or don't like certain features. That is all OK. It isn't and wasn't meant to be an everyman's car or even an every Corvette owner's car.
Because one doesn't like something about the C7 doesn't necessarily mean that mistakes were made. It could mean, and more likely does mean, that these things some individuals don't like were done quite purposefully and with full understanding that a relatively small number of consumers won't love it or even like it. As long as a significant number of consumers and potential buyers like it a lot, which I'm tending to see, then they have done their job. Their job is not to cater to every Corvette owner, it is to expand the market share of the Corvette, not to cement the current market share.
Time will tell if they have done their job. However, based on many of the C7 posts in this C7 Forum and how many of them could reasonably be construed as being uninformed, or ill informed, or highly personalized rants, no one in GM management is likely to look to this Forum as a potential final arbiter of whether they have succeeded or failed in their mission, probably quite the opposite is true.
Last edited by B747VET; 02-07-2013 at 05:24 PM.
02-07-2013, 05:34 PM
#60
Team Owner
Blindly looking at a **** poor sales report won't give them the answer to what caused the poor sales of their product. Feedback from the lost customers will give them the answers. Sending a questionnaire to their buyers of the C7 won't give them the answers. They have to listen to those that walked away. That's the people on this forum that will be walking away from the C7.
No company deliberately designs a product in order to kill sales, and there have been many examples of poorly designed/engineered automobiles that quickly go re-designed/re-engineered to recover those lost sales.
Last edited by JoesC5; 02-07-2013 at 05:40 PM.