CAGS Eliminator for C7?
02-06-2013, 04:39 PM
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02-06-2013, 04:47 PM
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1st has anyone actually tried with a second solenoid, or removing and letting the solenoid hang? Perhaps the computer does not see a current/voltage spike of a solenoid engaging.
2nd How does the computer know the car did not skip shift or not once the solenoid is defeated?
2nd How does the computer know the car did not skip shift or not once the solenoid is defeated?
If you put a resistor in place of the solenoid, and shifted into 2nd gear instead of fourth then the engine RPM would be higher then if in fourth gear and the computer would recognize that as a problem. To make sure the problem is actually a problem, the computer doesn't throw a code until after seeing 6 cycles of the same problem.
02-07-2013, 07:47 AM
#63
Race Director
One way would be that when the CAGS was called for, and you shifted from 1st to 4th, the computer could then compare the car's speed to the engine RPM when you released the clutch pedal.
If you put a resistor in place of the solenoid, and shifted into 2nd gear instead of fourth then the engine RPM would be higher then if in fourth gear and the computer would recognize that as a problem. To make sure the problem is actually a problem, the computer doesn't throw a code until after seeing 6 cycles of the same problem.
If you put a resistor in place of the solenoid, and shifted into 2nd gear instead of fourth then the engine RPM would be higher then if in fourth gear and the computer would recognize that as a problem. To make sure the problem is actually a problem, the computer doesn't throw a code until after seeing 6 cycles of the same problem.
11-28-2013, 12:17 PM
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C7 Eliminator Available Yet?
Does any reputable vendor yet offer a skip-shift eliminator for the C7 (i.e., a device to defeat the C7's CAGS system)?
In part because the operating window for the skip-shift is narrow I do not encounter it frequently. However, it's always a big surprise when I do, and quite annoying!
My understanding is the the CAGS requires the first-to-second shift to be attempted while the vehicle speed is 15 - 19 MPH, the throttle is 21% or less open, and the coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees. So one doesn't experience it very often.
Paul Morris, Internet Sales Manager at West Coast Corvette emailed me in response to my inquiry, writing "The cags will not work on the C7". This statement is confusing, but he must have meant that their defeat device won't work on the C7.
I have not yet communicated with any other vendors. Has anyone else? I'd like to buy a professionally designed and manufactured CAGS defeat device for the C7. Of course, as some have noted, perhaps the system has changed and it's no longer possible for a simple device to defeat the CAGS, at least without creating other potential problems.
Does anyone yet know for sure?
In part because the operating window for the skip-shift is narrow I do not encounter it frequently. However, it's always a big surprise when I do, and quite annoying!
My understanding is the the CAGS requires the first-to-second shift to be attempted while the vehicle speed is 15 - 19 MPH, the throttle is 21% or less open, and the coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees. So one doesn't experience it very often.
Paul Morris, Internet Sales Manager at West Coast Corvette emailed me in response to my inquiry, writing "The cags will not work on the C7". This statement is confusing, but he must have meant that their defeat device won't work on the C7.
I have not yet communicated with any other vendors. Has anyone else? I'd like to buy a professionally designed and manufactured CAGS defeat device for the C7. Of course, as some have noted, perhaps the system has changed and it's no longer possible for a simple device to defeat the CAGS, at least without creating other potential problems.
Does anyone yet know for sure?
11-28-2013, 12:45 PM
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Does any reputable vendor yet offer a skip-shift eliminator for the C7 (i.e., a device to defeat the C7's CAGS system)?
In part because the operating window for the skip-shift is narrow I do not encounter it frequently. However, it's always a big surprise when I do, and quite annoying!
My understanding is the the CAGS requires the first-to-second shift to be attempted while the vehicle speed is 15 - 19 MPH, the throttle is 21% or less open, and the coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees. So one doesn't experience it very often.
Paul Morris, Internet Sales Manager at West Coast Corvette emailed me in response to my inquiry, writing "The cags will not work on the C7". This statement is confusing, but he must have meant that their defeat device won't work on the C7.
I have not yet communicated with any other vendors. Has anyone else? I'd like to buy a professionally designed and manufactured CAGS defeat device for the C7. Of course, as some have noted, perhaps the system has changed and it's no longer possible for a simple device to defeat the CAGS, at least without creating other potential problems.
Does anyone yet know for sure?
In part because the operating window for the skip-shift is narrow I do not encounter it frequently. However, it's always a big surprise when I do, and quite annoying!
My understanding is the the CAGS requires the first-to-second shift to be attempted while the vehicle speed is 15 - 19 MPH, the throttle is 21% or less open, and the coolant temperature is at least 170 degrees. So one doesn't experience it very often.
Paul Morris, Internet Sales Manager at West Coast Corvette emailed me in response to my inquiry, writing "The cags will not work on the C7". This statement is confusing, but he must have meant that their defeat device won't work on the C7.
I have not yet communicated with any other vendors. Has anyone else? I'd like to buy a professionally designed and manufactured CAGS defeat device for the C7. Of course, as some have noted, perhaps the system has changed and it's no longer possible for a simple device to defeat the CAGS, at least without creating other potential problems.
Does anyone yet know for sure?
11-29-2013, 12:35 AM
#66
Burning Brakes
CAGS only kicks in if you are shifting from 1st to 2nd at a low RPM which you should never do to begin with. This is why I've never understood the fascination with this mod. You can actually get to 50 MPH in 1st gear without red-lining your car so why do people insist on shifting all the way to third before they get to 40 MPH? 
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I'm no expert, but they all have the same ingredients, so I'd say the cheapest one. 
