petermj

Well good for you. Now, if you only read carefully, you would notice I was referring to 2009-2010 and current DODGE VIPER, not corvette.

Dodge viper through 2008 can be bypassed just as easily as the current vette but the buck stopped in 2009. I know based on personal experience.

Pretty sure this is what will happen with the new vette.

jvp

Yes, because they're using the exact same transmission and the exact same PCM.

Oh... wait a sec... They're not.

jas

JoesC5

Then you should have posted your reply on the Viper forum as it has absolutely no value on the Corvette forum.

petermj

Gheez, are you on the roll making dumb remarks? Gen 4 Viper transmissions are the same like corresponding vettes, as they are between 08 and 09-10 vipers, This has nothing to do with the drivetrain, this is caused by encryption on the ECU and nobody being able to crack it. I can disable the skip shift on Viper using the bypass plug without any difficulty. The problem is the CEL comes on after about 100 miles and few start ups.

But of course, GM will go against emission standards unlike Chrysler, apparently this is why AFM is there

MikeyTX

Slow dreary day in E. TX ..........

petermj

Maybe you should just put a foot in your mouth instead?

CitznFish

or build your own with a resistor. Easy peasy.

However I never felt the need for an eliminator. The way I drive, the skip shift was never activated.

jvp

As it turns out: the ECU (PCM) is part of the drive train. But ignoring that, my statement is 100% correct. You're just either acting or being ignorant. The C7 (which is what we're discussing) and the Viper DO NOT use the same transmission, nor do they use the same PCM.

jas

petermj

Gen 4 Viper and C6 08 on use the same t6060 tranny. And again, this is not about difference in drivetrains, this is about methodology used to comply with emissions regulations. Seems to me Chrysler did it sooner than GM but in the end, GM will follow because there is only a limited number of technologies available to make our government happy. If this is above your head, I may include some pictorials to help you understand.

GOLD72

If GM wanted to prevent defeat of CAGS by owners, they would have done it well before the C7 intro. It is there to game the EPA test protocol that determines the fuel economy numbers. Unless the Feds dictate otherwise, GM doesn't care if owners defeat CAGS. JMHO.

petermj

Well, then let us wait and find out if this is the case? I guess we will also find out how tuning out AFM works out.

hig4s

Unless they change the way they do it, all you need to defeat the CAGS is a blown smart fuse. I replaced my CAGS fuse with a blown smart fuse over 20K miles ago with no issues.

JoesC5

Maybe should accept the fact that Chrysler did not design the Corvette.

petermj

Let us hope your ASSumption will be the route GM takes with the new vette. The GTR crowd apparently cracked the Nissan encryption so who knows.

Sorry to see some things just go above your head

petermj

Really, let us wait and see if this still indeed will be the case with C7.

Dave@Ciocca

jvp

Yep; we're not talking about the Gen 4 Viper and the Gen 6 Corvette. We're talking about the Gen 7 Corvette. You had to inject your knowledge of the Gen 4 Viper into this discussion and it has not had any bearing whatsoever on Corvette's development.

You're making an assumption based on absolutely no knowledge of coming laws, regulations, rules, etc. Because one manufacturer does it, all will?

Thus far you've not proven me wrong on anything I've said, you've merely diverted the conversation. And then you have the temerity to call me stupid? Careful there, son.

jas

petermj

I am simply pointing that CAGS can be made impossible to disable. Again, I hope GM will not take this route but until someone actually does it on their car, your guess is just as good as mine, get it? I personally find it very frustrating that CAGS on my 09 vette can be disabled super easy while I can do absolutely nothing about the same year viper.

Now, son, do you actually have a proof CAGS can be disabled on C7 or are you talking out of your behind?

ANTIVNOM

I do hope it is defeatable. My dealer kindly moved my eliminator from my Z06 to my ZR1 when I bought it.

I have found it is very easy to get hit by it on a left turn from a stop when you have to roll out of the case after you take off because someone slows in front of you, or for other reasons. It's most annoying and I'd prefer not to have to remember to make sure it is going x MPH before I shift for 2nd.

Raitzi

You can always cut the wire of the solenoid which prevents the gear stick from moving when CAGS is active.