So how bad is a C7 going to beat a C6 LS3 in stock performance?
02-22-2013, 08:14 PM
#281
Melting Slicks
GM is tracking the car, has been for months, they know how good it's performing.
From the Febuary/March issue of ROAD&TRACK, "the base Stingray turning faster test laps than the Grand Sport and out-cornering it at beyond 1 g of lateral accleration"
From the March Car&Driver,...Tadge Juchter Chief Corvette Engineer:..."The guys who've run mules at VIR are getting lap times competitive with today's Z06."
GM is telling us the base car is going to be faster than the base C6/GS, the top performance spec, a lot faster,close to the C6Z06. Some people don't want to hear it and even go as far as saying Tadge and company are lying. Some of the members here are going to look very foolish when the car is tested by the press.
From the Febuary/March issue of ROAD&TRACK, "the base Stingray turning faster test laps than the Grand Sport and out-cornering it at beyond 1 g of lateral accleration"
From the March Car&Driver,...Tadge Juchter Chief Corvette Engineer:..."The guys who've run mules at VIR are getting lap times competitive with today's Z06."
GM is telling us the base car is going to be faster than the base C6/GS, the top performance spec, a lot faster,close to the C6Z06. Some people don't want to hear it and even go as far as saying Tadge and company are lying. Some of the members here are going to look very foolish when the car is tested by the press.
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02-22-2013, 08:35 PM
#282
Racer
If you can watch and listen to this video, and really comprehend what is being said, you might accept the fact the C7 is a hell of a good improvement over rhe C6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5IAUUJEsU
However, after reading your drivel for a while, I'm not sure if your hatred can be overcome, no matter what any person says.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us5IAUUJEsU
However, after reading your drivel for a while, I'm not sure if your hatred can be overcome, no matter what any person says.
02-22-2013, 09:22 PM
#285
Team Owner
02-22-2013, 09:24 PM
#286
Sir, I am having difficulty following you.
1) no one is racing the c7 yet or even driving it yet. (maybe you were just guessing)
2) your point on the vents... what is your point? do you think the c6 had transmission cooling issues that the c7 vents solved? Have you ever seen where the transmission is located? It gets a lot of wind down there... The vents on the c7 have a name, it's called FORM WITHOUT FUNCTION! It's like the tail fins on the superbird or rocket nose on old 60's cars...
Calling the c7 an improvement on a great design would be a big leap. It is a change and little more. Perhaps I smell a little performance gain, maybe 5% or so; but that is just what the ls3 had left of the table for simple tuning and airflow mods.
My point is simply that it is hard to be excited about a decade long development of the 7th corvette generation when they gave so little. But I digress as the c5-to-c6 was not such a change either. perhaps this is all American motor companies have left in them.
Hmmm but what is with the rear end and shameful gauge cluster... yuk they've screwed the pooch this time! I'd be embarrassed every time I took someone for a ride and they asked me "why does it have a video game console in the middle of the dash"!
1) no one is racing the c7 yet or even driving it yet. (maybe you were just guessing)
2) your point on the vents... what is your point? do you think the c6 had transmission cooling issues that the c7 vents solved? Have you ever seen where the transmission is located? It gets a lot of wind down there... The vents on the c7 have a name, it's called FORM WITHOUT FUNCTION! It's like the tail fins on the superbird or rocket nose on old 60's cars...
Calling the c7 an improvement on a great design would be a big leap. It is a change and little more. Perhaps I smell a little performance gain, maybe 5% or so; but that is just what the ls3 had left of the table for simple tuning and airflow mods.
My point is simply that it is hard to be excited about a decade long development of the 7th corvette generation when they gave so little. But I digress as the c5-to-c6 was not such a change either. perhaps this is all American motor companies have left in them.
Hmmm but what is with the rear end and shameful gauge cluster... yuk they've screwed the pooch this time! I'd be embarrassed every time I took someone for a ride and they asked me "why does it have a video game console in the middle of the dash"!
Geez... I feel bad that you are so unhappy and disappointed. Life must be pretty miserable for you. If I were you, I would stop wasting your time trying to convince everyone else how badly the C7 sucks (when many/most don't agree with you) and start researching your next car purchase so you can get some much needed peace in your life
02-22-2013, 09:44 PM
#287
Le Mans Master
I was even clear to state it was competitive with, and not beating, the current Z06. Of course, there are CF members who do know more than Juchter does.
02-22-2013, 09:47 PM
#288
Le Mans Master
02-23-2013, 12:16 AM
#289
Racer
02-23-2013, 12:17 AM
#290
Racer
You better watch it my friend. While you are absolutely correct, I was called out on this point in another thread a few days ago! It was stated that I apparently misunderstood what was said, that Tadge meant the C7 was competitive with today's GS.
I was even clear to state it was competitive with, and not beating, the current Z06. Of course, there are CF members who do know more than Juchter does.
I was even clear to state it was competitive with, and not beating, the current Z06. Of course, there are CF members who do know more than Juchter does.
honestly I don't think you get my point any more than I get yours... perhaps you are saying that GM is indicating the c7 should be about as quick as a C6-GS? does this some how contradict my arguement? GM put a whopping 5% more in to this cars base line WoW!
perhaps it's best to just quit. You like ths c7 I don't ...
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02-23-2013, 12:27 AM
#291
Team Owner
honestly I don't think you get my point any more than I get yours... perhaps you are saying that GM is indicating the c7 should be about as quick as a C6-GS? does this some how contradict my arguement? GM put a whopping 5% more in to this cars base line WoW!
perhaps it's best to just quit. You like ths c7 I don't ...
perhaps it's best to just quit. You like ths c7 I don't ...
02-23-2013, 01:29 AM
#292
Melting Slicks
You better watch it my friend. While you are absolutely correct, I was called out on this point in another thread a few days ago! It was stated that I apparently misunderstood what was said, that Tadge meant the C7 was competitive with today's GS.
I was even clear to state it was competitive with, and not beating, the current Z06. Of course, there are CF members who do know more than Juchter does.
I was even clear to state it was competitive with, and not beating, the current Z06. Of course, there are CF members who do know more than Juchter does.
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02-23-2013, 06:47 AM
#293
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Sir, I am having difficulty following you.
1) no one is racing the c7 yet or even driving it yet. (maybe you were just guessing)
2) your point on the vents... what is your point? do you think the c6 had transmission cooling issues that the c7 vents solved? Have you ever seen where the transmission is located? It gets a lot of wind down there... The vents on the c7 have a name, it's called FORM WITHOUT FUNCTION! It's like the tail fins on the superbird or rocket nose on old 60's cars...
Calling the c7 an improvement on a great design would be a big leap. It is a change and little more. Perhaps I smell a little performance gain, maybe 5% or so; but that is just what the ls3 had left of the table for simple tuning and airflow mods.
My point is simply that it is hard to be excited about a decade long development of the 7th corvette generation when they gave so little. But I digress as the c5-to-c6 was not such a change either. perhaps this is all American motor companies have left in them.
Hmmm but what is with the rear end and shameful gauge cluster... yuk they've screwed the pooch this time! I'd be embarrassed every time I took someone for a ride and they asked me "why does it have a video game console in the middle of the dash"!
1) no one is racing the c7 yet or even driving it yet. (maybe you were just guessing)
2) your point on the vents... what is your point? do you think the c6 had transmission cooling issues that the c7 vents solved? Have you ever seen where the transmission is located? It gets a lot of wind down there... The vents on the c7 have a name, it's called FORM WITHOUT FUNCTION! It's like the tail fins on the superbird or rocket nose on old 60's cars...
Calling the c7 an improvement on a great design would be a big leap. It is a change and little more. Perhaps I smell a little performance gain, maybe 5% or so; but that is just what the ls3 had left of the table for simple tuning and airflow mods.
My point is simply that it is hard to be excited about a decade long development of the 7th corvette generation when they gave so little. But I digress as the c5-to-c6 was not such a change either. perhaps this is all American motor companies have left in them.
Hmmm but what is with the rear end and shameful gauge cluster... yuk they've screwed the pooch this time! I'd be embarrassed every time I took someone for a ride and they asked me "why does it have a video game console in the middle of the dash"!
02-23-2013, 08:36 AM
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31 3:01.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/08
37 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
71 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
23 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
22 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
30 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
10 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
5 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12
6 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10
Any idea which version Z06 he would be referring to? Would I be correct in stating that a 2013 Z without F55 or Z07 should be expected to perform similiarly to the ones tested in 06 and 07? Seems that certain option choices provide remarkable performance gains and a base car (Z06) is significantly behind the Z07 version?
37 3:03.6 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 8/07
71 3:09.3 CHEVROLET CORVETTE (Z51) LL2 11/06
23 2:58.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE GRAND SPORT LL2 2/10
22 2:58.2 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 8/07
30 3:01.1 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 LL3 11/06
10 2:53.5 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06 (Z07) LL3 2/11
5 2:50.7 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires) LL3 2/12
6 2:51.8 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires) LL3 2/10
Any idea which version Z06 he would be referring to? Would I be correct in stating that a 2013 Z without F55 or Z07 should be expected to perform similiarly to the ones tested in 06 and 07? Seems that certain option choices provide remarkable performance gains and a base car (Z06) is significantly behind the Z07 version?
02-23-2013, 11:34 AM
#296
Any idea which version Z06 he would be referring to? Would I be correct in stating that a 2013 Z without F55 or Z07 should be expected to perform similiarly to the ones tested in 06 and 07? Seems that certain option choices provide remarkable performance gains and a base car (Z06) is significantly behind the Z07 version?
02-23-2013, 03:43 PM
#297
Drifting
Thread Starter
GM is tracking the car, has been for months, they know how good it's performing.
From the Febuary/March issue of ROAD&TRACK, "the base Stingray turning faster test laps than the Grand Sport and out-cornering it at beyond 1 g of lateral accleration"
From the March Car&Driver,...Tadge Juchter Chief Corvette Engineer:..."The guys who've run mules at VIR are getting lap times competitive with today's Z06."
GM is telling us the base car is going to be faster than the base C6/GS, the top performance spec, a lot faster,close to the C6Z06. Some people don't want to hear it and even go as far as saying Tadge and company are lying. Some of the members here are going to look very foolish when the car is tested by the press.
From the Febuary/March issue of ROAD&TRACK, "the base Stingray turning faster test laps than the Grand Sport and out-cornering it at beyond 1 g of lateral accleration"
From the March Car&Driver,...Tadge Juchter Chief Corvette Engineer:..."The guys who've run mules at VIR are getting lap times competitive with today's Z06."
GM is telling us the base car is going to be faster than the base C6/GS, the top performance spec, a lot faster,close to the C6Z06. Some people don't want to hear it and even go as far as saying Tadge and company are lying. Some of the members here are going to look very foolish when the car is tested by the press.
Can anyone else confirm this is this true?
02-23-2013, 03:55 PM
#298
I can't confirm it other than I have read those comments and watched the videos where Tadge and others were quoted saying this. I don't know that anyone can confirm this other than to confirm they read the same thing. No one will know until test results are published.
02-23-2013, 04:05 PM
#299
Le Mans Master
02-23-2013, 04:16 PM
#300
Le Mans Master
I took the question as though he wanted confirmation that Tadge made this statement.
Of course we can't confirm the actual performance until independently checked out in head-to-head comparison runs, or at least until Mera wrings it out at the 'ring.