kanerogers

The day I care what top gear thinks about Corvette is the day I care what they think about anything else.

Jai 302

Got something against Fords bud? The price of an FGT buys a brand new SRT Viper and Corvette C6 Z06, and I'd like to see just how many people would pick a Vette or Viper over a GT given the choice. Please don't bringe the hate over from the world's lousiest forum Camaro5.

I own a 5.0 Mustang, a couple of Bimmers and soon a red C7 once it's out here in Dubai - so I speak from an unbiased point of view. This guy is full of himself.

Coming back to the Europeans, I got the Bimmer 6-series and plan to get the C7 alongside because they're very different cars. I'd rather have one comfy automatic car with the big badge to cruise around everyday and a fast manual sports car for the weekends. And in my opinion it should be a nice step-up from the 5.0 to the C7 just as it was from the Z4 to the 6er.
Anyone who "laughs" at a C7 is a retard. The car serves a completely different purpose than the garage queens from europe. Besides they'll be too awestruck by it's gorgeous looks to do anything but drool! Love the C7!

Z06Norway

Go check your own link, add up the following country WITHIN EU
Austria 12 , population 8.4 million
Belgium 10, population 11 mill
Denmark 14, population 5.5 mill
Finland 4, population 5,3 mill
France 65, population 65 mill
Germany 102, population 81 mill
Hungary 14, population 10 mill
Ireland 7, population 4.4 mill
Italy 20, population 60 mill
Netherlands 19, population 17 mill
Norway 12, population 5 mill
Sweden 30, population 10 mill
Switzerland 26, population 8 mill

Thats a total of 335 and polulation 290 mill


So who was ignorant, ?
i live in Norway, i have been in almost every country in Europe, i have house in Florida, and visited your country aprox 80 times, i have met alot of nice people in all corner of the world. BUT there is always duchbags that think they are center of universe and everything else is ****.

I take this time to prove your statement wrong, USA is a great country, BUT not superior in any way

Grow up, travel the world and experience

Gobot

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Real question is WGAS?

DREAMERAK

I agree with much of what you say, but without the superior USA Military keeping the Soviets in check from the late 40s to the 90s Russian would be your first lanuage.

Meanmachine08

Europeans already laugh at americans and its not soley with cars. But my question to you is why do you care what they think? Do you think the europeans get online and say geez guys do you think the americans will like the new ferrari? **** NO they could care less if we buy their ****. Most ppl buy it because its a status thing. If it was purely performance related then why are corvettes at half the cost keeping up with them and winning races? Fact is they dont care if we buy their **** and you shouldnt care if they buy ours..you buy what you like and you enjoy it and have fun with it. If you like it then why does it matter?


Youll never be happy with anything as long as you care so much what ppl think and that is life in general.

Z06Norway

i agree 100% , but you must add WW2 and Germans, that was the scary part, Russia was more USA big scare

So thank you America, and dont get me wrong, i love US, i grew up with mostly Americans that came here late 60 and learned us to explore our oil.

BUT bashing other country/parts of world and get on his high horse in a Corvette forum, then someone need to set him straight
Ignorance and fear is the source of all evil......

Rune

TheSaint

I think the C7 is made to look like a Ferrari and GM have been good in doing so, and i am sure they are aiming for the European marked as well
But i can not understand why they continue to make the Corvette with the leaf spring
It is like GM must do it so the Corvette can be criticized

radar502

When you are in the C-7 Corvette going 200MPH and you didn't have to sell the farm to buy it and will run with any Sports car in the world for the money and can chang the oil in the back yard . You can't see it for were you are sitting.. When you get out don't look at it..Just walk away..It goes it's stops it's bad ***..Got to love it.. It's a Corvette..after all..

Gobot

Exactly.

Raitzi

It just like the engine in the back in 911. If they change it, it mean admitting that they were wrong all those years.

SouthernSon

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own set of facts. When you say the population of Europe, you don't get to pick and choose which countries you personally prefer to include/exclude.

chaase

The Ferrari F12 also uses a 6.3L V12 and that 500 ft-lbs comes in at 5000rpm. It is a marvel of engineering but they are basically spinning the **** out of it to get those numbers.

GM could easily get more HP/TQ out of their V8. Once the ECU is sorted out, customer cars will be pushing out much higher numbers. GM is constraining the engine for fuel economy, emissions and longevity.

el es tu

1. Whats wrong with plastic? Are you making reference to jeremey clarkson joking about it? He actually owns a C6 ZR1 - the joking is just to make the show. Also how are cars with metal bodies better than carbon reinforced plastics and fiberglass reinforced plastics? With metal body panels the corvette would weigh significantly more.

2. They use the SOHC layout because it works. The cost of the motors is significantly less than the european sports car motors. Have you seen the cost of a gt3 motor? For that much you can have a much more powerful chevy smallblock in racing configuration from the factory racing engine builder katech. The engines are are also lighter without all that extra valavetrain. The ZR1 in the early 90s had a lotus designed quad cam v8 and it was HEAVY. If porsche did have a 6.2l engine I have no doubt it would be 600 to 700 hp, but it would also cost 50 to 70 grand and only be in a 400k car like the carrera gt that sold so well...

3. I have to agree it looks a bit too much like other sports cars. And yes the corvette is supposed to be a budget sports car. Thats the marketing niche they choose to take. Look at the porsche 911: its gone so high in pricing, a Carrera S (which is as slow - or fast whatever way you want to look at it, as a base model C6) costs 100 grand. Now its too expensive for most doctors to own a 911, let alone a retiree or the typical young person who wants something fast.

4. If you look at wind tunnel data and pictures of the C6 at speed you can see there is significant lift at speed. There was even a thread here with some pictures from the nurburgring where you could see the non vented hoods of C6s basically pushing upward, while those running vented hood did not exhibit this issue. Venting the hood will extract air from the engine bay to reduce the lift and also help remove heat buildup. An improperly designed hood vent will allow air inward and actually add to the lift. I highly doubt they overlooked this fact considering how big of an issue of trying to reduce lift was with the c6 and now with the c7.

5. The composite leaf spring system used in corvette was developed by gm to save weight and allow more interior space. The reason most companies use coil springs is that that are cheaper to design with. The reason many racers convert to coilovers is the cost, ease of swapping springs, availability, and sometimes using dual rates per corner (stacking springs of different strengths over the shock body).


BTW I love porsches - If I could afford one Id have a GT2 right beside my vette - but they are ridiculously expensive.


I had many of the same concerns when I first started looking into these cars, but there are legitimate reasons why the chevrolet engineers choose what they do.

I hope this helps.

Default

I'm with you in the love of carbon fiber, but i find this obsession and idea that all cars should be made out of carbon fiber a little ridiculous.

to get my point out in simple ways i will put together a pro and con list on a few of my thoughts on how this will effect the corvette.

Pros -
Lightweight
Strong
Nice pattern to see when exposed
overall improves handling and fuel economy

Cons -
Repairs are extremely costly (most will require new parts $$$$)
Production time must be slowed down to a snails pace
Followed by slowed production is lower production #'s
Add another 0 to the price of the car
People would not actually drive/enjoy the car as they would with the current obtain-ability.
Say goodbye to our vast support and tuning community (many can't work with carbon fiber, and with limited #'s they just wont make money as they currently do)
Carbon body means its in a new "league" of cars. So higher expectations.

There are more cons that i can think of but i had to shorten it to end my rant

In a way carbon fiber is cool and amazing, but for an affordable sports car/super car you can drive any day like the corvette it is just a dream. Incorporating carbon fiber here and there is doable, but extensively using it will change everything. It will turn what was once obtainable into a unicorn, something mythical that the closest you will ever get is to one is a poster on a wall.

Slynky

+1 (well said)

Slynky

lmao !

SouthernSon

I agree that the SBC, single cam layout is superior in the weight saving, lower center of gravity and smaller physical size. I like it and it kicks butt on the international scene in competition with overhead camshafts. As far as the single transverse leaf spring, when it was tested to failure for validation the engineers stopped the test after a million cycles with no degradation. Personally, I would not call the vette a budget sports car. I believe most would consider it a sports car innovatively designed and executed for world class performance and comfort delivered at low cost. It simply beats the competition in performance, reliability, comfort and cost.

Z06Norway

Stop beeing an assh***, you came off pointing to how much better you where then the rest of the world. When someone pointed out that you did not have the best education in the world. You came up with another link proving how superior you think you are.

I took each and every country within EU, you might not know it but Europe and EU is not the same. So almost every country is better than US based on capita, Norway with 5 mill people have 14 honers in your link.
Add that up US population and we would have 800 compared to US 335

Get off it, its a Car forum, but someone needed to take your high mighty *** off the horse..., no go and

Rune

SouthernSon

Well, no you didn't, Rune. The EU consists of 27 countries with a population of over 500 million. So, whether you want to discuss Europe or EU figures, you need to do a little more research.


With a combined population of over 500 million inhabitants,[23] or 7.3% of the world population,[24] the EU, in 2011, generated the largest nominal world gross domestic product (GDP) of 17.6 trillion US dollars, representing approximately 20% of the global GDP when measured in terms of purchasing power parity.[25] The EU was the recipient of the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize.[26]


But, I agree, this is way off OP subject. You started the tangent with the disparage of education in the USA and you seem to continue having problems with facts.