Is Europe going to laugh at us?
01-18-2013, 10:53 PM
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01-19-2013, 08:37 AM
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Is the leaf a tradition? The C5 design team said they made mules with coil springs and only used the leaf because it worked better for packaging. The C1-C3 all had coil springs. The C7 likely retains the leaf simply because it's an evolution of the C5's basic design and thus for the same reasons why it was the right answer for the C5 it's the right answer now.
01-19-2013, 08:44 AM
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01-19-2013, 11:09 AM
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Is the leaf a tradition? The C5 design team said they made mules with coil springs and only used the leaf because it worked better for packaging. The C1-C3 all had coil springs. The C7 likely retains the leaf simply because it's an evolution of the C5's basic design and thus for the same reasons why it was the right answer for the C5 it's the right answer now.
They also had steel body panels and weighed less(under 2900 lbs) then the C5. Even when a LS7 and a heavy 6 speed and a heavy differential were dropped in they still weighted no more then the C5.
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01-19-2013, 11:10 AM
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1. Many supercars use plastic as body materials such as the MP4-12C.
2. The Corvette is a real sports car, that has set real records, won real races, and slapped about other "real" sports cars.
3. The Corvette isn't a budget supercar; it is a supercar. The other supercars obviously cost more than they are worth if the Corvette destroys them at half or less the price, from a performance standpoint at least. Clearly the extra money is just buying badges and frou-frou things.
4. I agree, the hood vent is sketchy... I would need to see some quantified performance data to back up the downforce claim.
5. Leaf springs out-handle more expensive, more complex suspension setups. That begs the question: is more expensive and more complex better?
Lastly, I know I don't give a sh** what the euros think and I don't see whay anyone else would either. The Corvette could destroy most of their overpriced offerings and yet they would still complain simply because it is an American car.
2. The Corvette is a real sports car, that has set real records, won real races, and slapped about other "real" sports cars.
3. The Corvette isn't a budget supercar; it is a supercar. The other supercars obviously cost more than they are worth if the Corvette destroys them at half or less the price, from a performance standpoint at least. Clearly the extra money is just buying badges and frou-frou things.
4. I agree, the hood vent is sketchy... I would need to see some quantified performance data to back up the downforce claim.
5. Leaf springs out-handle more expensive, more complex suspension setups. That begs the question: is more expensive and more complex better?
Lastly, I know I don't give a sh** what the euros think and I don't see whay anyone else would either. The Corvette could destroy most of their overpriced offerings and yet they would still complain simply because it is an American car.
01-19-2013, 12:12 PM
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Any car can be teased for something but I'm quite certain that Europeans will love the C7.
There really isn't a glaring weakness to tease about this time. The C6 has world class performance and no one around the world ever debated that, but there were some obvious issues that needed to be addressed and that was done with the C7.
I'm certain they will be all over the C7 and they will be drooling over the Z06 and ZR1. The performance is now met the detail and sophistication that the Vette always deserved. Regardless of where you live, most people will be able to appreciate that.
There really isn't a glaring weakness to tease about this time. The C6 has world class performance and no one around the world ever debated that, but there were some obvious issues that needed to be addressed and that was done with the C7.
I'm certain they will be all over the C7 and they will be drooling over the Z06 and ZR1. The performance is now met the detail and sophistication that the Vette always deserved. Regardless of where you live, most people will be able to appreciate that.
01-19-2013, 12:31 PM
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Maybe the Corvette owner should be laughing at the European supercar owners. Not only does the Vette compete with all of them on a performance par [street cars AND racing versions] but they cost far less [per comparable performance] are much more street friendly and when the ugly words maintencance & repair are invoked the Corvette owner reaches for his wallet; the "Exotic Eurocar" owner applies for a new bank line of credit or a 2nd mortgage. The first time I heard an aquaintence talk about a $200 oil & filters change at his dealer, I tried to be sympathetic with him...
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01-19-2013, 12:36 PM
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They laugh all the way to the bank as their exhalted brand equity allows them to makes boatloads more buyer gouging profit per unit that Corvette Team can only dream about . Thats capitalism and the market at work. The Corvette buyer gets a good car for a good price and may smugly look at the competitions pricing structure, but GM is the loser, from a car makers perspective, having to engineer and then market a car that must sell at half its competitors prices to compete . Thats leaving an extra 30-40k manufacturer profit on the table vs Porsche 911 for every unit sold.
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01-19-2013, 01:45 PM
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The bottom line is that GM cares. A LOT!
They made this Corvette for all audiences they are targeting and that includes the whole gamut of global sports car fans who are interested in the C7's value proposition. Beating the global competition is just one way they expect folks to sit up and take notice.
I think if 'Europeans' are laughin it is about some of the clods that have shown up here lately.
They made this Corvette for all audiences they are targeting and that includes the whole gamut of global sports car fans who are interested in the C7's value proposition. Beating the global competition is just one way they expect folks to sit up and take notice.
I think if 'Europeans' are laughin it is about some of the clods that have shown up here lately.
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looks very tough!
01-19-2013, 03:31 PM
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They laugh all the way to the bank as their exhalted brand equity allows them to makes boatloads more buyer gouging profit per unit that Corvette Team can only dream about . Thats capitalism and the market at work. The Corvette buyer gets a good car for a good price and may smugly look at the competitions pricing structure, but GM is the loser, from a car makers perspective, having to engineer and then market a car that must sell at half its competitors prices to compete . Thats leaving an extra 30-40k manufacturer profit on the table vs Porsche 911 for every unit sold.
The Corvette pays it's bills...and makes GM money along with our scrolling list of vendor's that make boatloads of money on this very forum selling t-shirts and other useless little trinkets all while paying royalties to GM. Meanwhile on the Porsche/Ferrari forums, they have what 6 vendors?
Capitalism...I think the jealousy is the other way around...
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01-19-2013, 03:55 PM
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The Corvette, is STILL using pushrods with only 2 valves....for a 2014 model. If Porsche had a 6.2 liter you can bet it would be putting out A LOT more than 450 hp.
I don't know if it will be all that well received by Europeans. Any Europeans want to chime in?
01-19-2013, 04:03 PM
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A lot of ranting about Europe in this thread. I am european and have been in love with Corvette for many years. Still, you have to admit the the build and interior quality hasn't been as good as in the best European cars. For me that is not a big issue but for most buyers over here it is. Here people are thinking Porsche when you sat sportscar, if Corvette wants to win some costumers over to their side they must upgrade the build and interior quality. I cant wait for GM to start selling the C7 over here. If is as good as it looks I will get one for sure. 
01-19-2013, 04:06 PM
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A lot of ranting about Europe in this thread. I am european and have been in love with Corvette for many years. Still, you have to admit the the build and interior quality hasn't been as good as in the best European cars. For me that is not a big issue but for most buyers over here it is. Here people are thinking Porsche when you sat sportscar, if Corvette wants to win some costumers over to their side they must upgrade the build and interior quality. I cant wait for GM to start selling the C7 over here. If is as good as it looks I will get one for sure.
01-19-2013, 04:09 PM
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Riiiiight...that's exactly why Porsche got bought out by VW and now makes SUV's, 4 door sedans and anemic poodle carrying boxsters...
The Corvette pays it's bills...and makes GM money along with our scrolling list of vendor's that make boatloads of money on this very forum selling t-shirts and other useless little trinkets all while paying royalties to GM. Meanwhile on the Porsche/Ferrari forums, they have what 6 vendors?
Capitalism...I think the jealousy is the other way around...
The Corvette pays it's bills...and makes GM money along with our scrolling list of vendor's that make boatloads of money on this very forum selling t-shirts and other useless little trinkets all while paying royalties to GM. Meanwhile on the Porsche/Ferrari forums, they have what 6 vendors?
Capitalism...I think the jealousy is the other way around...
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