after looking at the GM brochure im PISSED
01-14-2013, 04:05 PM
#22
very slathered
Been to a recent local very early Saturday AM "Cars and Coffee "-type event where guys show up with their 300K to million dollar exotics and classic American iron and talk shop ? Some say it is the ONLY place they drive their cars to anymore or feel safe , as so many jealous people are spitting on their cars , pouring coffee into their convertibles or sneering at them , compared to the past when they say people would admire and respect the cars and their owners and ask pose for pics of them sitting in car,etc . It's that " one percenter " thing, I think..
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01-14-2013, 04:08 PM
#23
I'm thrilled that the interior upgrades are optional, that means people like me who don't care about the interior don't have to pay extra for it if we chose not to.
As for Porsche vs. Corvette, if you really are a Corvette guy like you said, in a heartbead you'd rather buy the decked out Vette even if its the same price as the base 911.
Even if prices were equal I'd buy a Vette over a Porsche.
As for Porsche vs. Corvette, if you really are a Corvette guy like you said, in a heartbead you'd rather buy the decked out Vette even if its the same price as the base 911.
Even if prices were equal I'd buy a Vette over a Porsche.
with your second & third paragraphs.Plus comparing the base $80K 911 to the sub $60K base Corvette, the base Corvette has a better and higher quality interior from what we can see and much more technology. And The upper level trims compared should be the same.
Plus the C7 looks 10x better & sexier than the 911 and has much better overall perfomance.
Finally the C7 even in base form comes with much more features than the base 911.
In the C7 you get a car that has a better interior, looks better and better performance for $20K+ less. So I don't know WTH you are bitching about? Your discussion makes no sense, you want a $60K car that has the same level of equipment of a $100K car?
The Corvette is a BARGAIN and it's spoiled people like you!
01-14-2013, 04:15 PM
#24
Le Mans Master
As others have stated a 911 runs into 6 figures fairly quickly.
Also the seats are really nice but the steering wheel and console design and layout of the 911s have never blown me away. Too austere and does not feel like a high performance car's cockpit.
Also the seats are really nice but the steering wheel and console design and layout of the 911s have never blown me away. Too austere and does not feel like a high performance car's cockpit.
01-14-2013, 04:34 PM
#25
Racer
I checked out the new MB SL550 last week. Very nice car. Very nice. Gorgeous interior. Tastefully retro, fine leather, polished woods and metal, beautiful dash, the full nine yards. And it's pretty quick too, even in base form.
The price? Starts at $105K and easily options up to $130K. Gaak! And that's just the base SL550. The SL65 starts at $212K!!
This kind of quality and design is expensive and we appear to be getting a fair helping of it with the C7. I'd say it's looking pretty damn good starting at $55K. If the build quality is as good as it appears to be on the C7 I am impressed. I thought it would come in higher priced than that.
The price? Starts at $105K and easily options up to $130K. Gaak! And that's just the base SL550. The SL65 starts at $212K!!
This kind of quality and design is expensive and we appear to be getting a fair helping of it with the C7. I'd say it's looking pretty damn good starting at $55K. If the build quality is as good as it appears to be on the C7 I am impressed. I thought it would come in higher priced than that.
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01-14-2013, 06:54 PM
#26
with your second & third paragraphs.Plus comparing the base $80K 911 to the sub $60K base Corvette, the base Corvette has a better and higher quality interior from what we can see and much more technology. And The upper level trims compared should be the same.
Plus the C7 looks 10x better & sexier than the 911 and has much better overall perfomance.
Finally the C7 even in base form comes with much more features than the base 911.
In the C7 you get a car that has a better interior, looks better and better performance for $20K+ less. So I don't know WTH you are bitching about? Your discussion makes no sense, you want a $60K car that has the same level of equipment of a $100K car?
The Corvette is a BARGAIN and it's spoiled people like you!
all I said was that state make such a big deal out of new Corvettes interior while everything that makes it look good is optional so comparing it to the status Corvette c6 base to baseit doesn't look any more refined
01-14-2013, 07:14 PM
#27
Yes...because the Porsche has all that lovely interior fitment, high quality leather, overengineered construction, forged this and that factory, and a nameplate that demands the dollars.
Everyone want the Z06 to BE the Porsche for 60k...and guess what...you can't have it.
People have their heads in the clouds wanting TOP performance, TOP interior, hand finish clear coats with no orange peel, carbon everywhere...oh yeah, and make it cost half while the labor unions are sucking them dry...
Everyone want the Z06 to BE the Porsche for 60k...and guess what...you can't have it.
People have their heads in the clouds wanting TOP performance, TOP interior, hand finish clear coats with no orange peel, carbon everywhere...oh yeah, and make it cost half while the labor unions are sucking them dry...
Having said the only thing id do to this car is figure out a way to cover the tear drop tattoo looking thing vattos get when they shoot some one. Im talking about that vent pointing at the end of each tail light . that’s all.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=c7+co...62,s:200,i:205
01-15-2013, 08:52 PM
#28
I think we should really take GM marketing's " world class " interior comments to mean , " as good as ( finally ) a similarly priced $60K European sport coupe " , which it does . One is dreaming to think a car at this MSRP will have the same interior fitments as a $100-200K vehicle, as there is a BIG difference between a C/E Class MBZ and an SL convertible or a Porsche Boxster and a Panamera , for example.
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01-15-2013, 09:10 PM
#29
Dude...I think you are misinterpreting what the option sheet says. Just like a 911 you have a nice interior at the base model. It is soft touch and "leather" like in feel, but it is not actually leather. That is where a full leather package on a 911 comes in or the 3LT here. It will still be soft touch interior and a lot less plastic, but it'll just be protein vinyl instead of actual leather. Even the base interior will be 100% nicer than what the base C6 is, in fact it will probably appear nicer than a 4LT just because it will have more soft touch surfaces, they just won't be made out of leather like the current 4LT dash topper is.
01-15-2013, 09:11 PM
#30
Le Mans Master
You're PISSED? Really? It's just a car dude, not something to get pissed about. Just sayin'....
01-15-2013, 09:12 PM
#31
I think we should really take GM marketing's " world class " interior comments to mean , " as good as ( finally ) a similarly priced $60K European sport coupe " , which it does . One is dreaming to think a car at this MSRP will have the same interior fitments as a $100-200K vehicle, as there is a BIG difference between a C/E Class MBZ and an SL convertible or a Porsche Boxster and a Panamera , for example.
If you want a nice interior in a European Sports car you have to go over $90K or so for anything German or over $70K for British.
In my opinion the Jaguar F-Type offers the best value right behind the C7.
01-15-2013, 09:19 PM
#32
OP, just wondering but does it make a difference that you are 27 or 77? What does that have to do with performance, quality, or value of the C7?
Sorry to be a bit sensative about it but I am feeling a bias on this forum lately that is implied by some that younger means your opinion = more important etc. The thing I enjoyed about the CF was the positive attitude. Somehow this forum is beginning to seem like an Japanese import forum where everyone insults & slams each other. I am not stating you specifically said anything regarding this, it just seems to be a pattern I have seen lately.
Sorry to be a bit sensative about it but I am feeling a bias on this forum lately that is implied by some that younger means your opinion = more important etc. The thing I enjoyed about the CF was the positive attitude. Somehow this forum is beginning to seem like an Japanese import forum where everyone insults & slams each other. I am not stating you specifically said anything regarding this, it just seems to be a pattern I have seen lately.
01-15-2013, 09:22 PM
#33
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So i loved LOVED the interior yesterday. looked awesome. having to change all plastic parts on my c6 z06 to make it look respectable was costly and hard. so i was really looking forward to an upscale new interior with carbon fiber aluminum and leather stitching as promised and SHOWN on the show car.
but here is the catch:
the custom leather wrapped IP/doors/ consoles and carbon fiber interior come as AVAILABLE option and are not STANDARD on the new c7.
without these upgrades we are back to plastic ages of C6.
having to add all these AVAILABLE options to the car that are only available in the 2lt and 3lt models will more likely get the price to 65k ish. and thats 2013 porsche 911 territory.
i spent 75k on the z06 cuz it was a race car 3.5 sec 0-60 11.5 quarter-mile and 1.2 g in corners . if the new c7 would give me carrera performance ( 12.4 quarter mile as stated yesterday and 3.9 0-60) with carerra money ( i know its just the base carera but you still cant beat the quality and the handling of a porsche) , why wouldnt one just buy a carrera.
and dont start with me on if you want a porsche go buy a porsche. im 27 and ive owned c4, c5, c6 z51 and now c6 z06 and i loved them to death. im a corvette guy and i will always be a corvette guy atleast for as long as what im getting is 911 performance with 60 percent of 911 money. I LOve the carbon fiber and leather rapped consoles and the racing seats but they are all options adding 10k to the price. WTF
but here is the catch:
the custom leather wrapped IP/doors/ consoles and carbon fiber interior come as AVAILABLE option and are not STANDARD on the new c7.
without these upgrades we are back to plastic ages of C6.
having to add all these AVAILABLE options to the car that are only available in the 2lt and 3lt models will more likely get the price to 65k ish. and thats 2013 porsche 911 territory.
i spent 75k on the z06 cuz it was a race car 3.5 sec 0-60 11.5 quarter-mile and 1.2 g in corners . if the new c7 would give me carrera performance ( 12.4 quarter mile as stated yesterday and 3.9 0-60) with carerra money ( i know its just the base carera but you still cant beat the quality and the handling of a porsche) , why wouldnt one just buy a carrera.
and dont start with me on if you want a porsche go buy a porsche. im 27 and ive owned c4, c5, c6 z51 and now c6 z06 and i loved them to death. im a corvette guy and i will always be a corvette guy atleast for as long as what im getting is 911 performance with 60 percent of 911 money. I LOve the carbon fiber and leather rapped consoles and the racing seats but they are all options adding 10k to the price. WTF
A 1LT GS goes for as low as $49K.
A 3 LT GS goes for about $60K.
01-15-2013, 09:26 PM
#34
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I'm sorry, but they could do better with the base interior. The Cadillac CTS coupe is priced in at around $38k and comes with the quality interior. For 63k you can get the CTS-V. The based Corvette will probably be around what, 53k? Should have been able to provide the 'better' interior across the line. In fact, they should in order to achieve any levels of economies of scale for the interior parts and all.
01-15-2013, 09:27 PM
#35
Race Director
I see that to acquire magnetic select ride, have to purchase a lot of items that I wouldn't otherwise. I really don't need a dry sump oil system or larger stabilizer bars, better brakes are always a good, though. Probably cut the performance tuned exhaust and pick a color that doesn't cost extra. Standard wheel color is also a option. Every thing is a trade off.
01-15-2013, 09:32 PM
#36
Race Director
I'm thrilled that the interior upgrades are optional, that means people like me who don't care about the interior don't have to pay extra for it if we chose not to.
As for Porsche vs. Corvette, if you really are a Corvette guy like you said, in a heartbead you'd rather buy the decked out Vette even if its the same price as the base 911.
Even if prices were equal I'd buy a Vette over a Porsche.
As for Porsche vs. Corvette, if you really are a Corvette guy like you said, in a heartbead you'd rather buy the decked out Vette even if its the same price as the base 911.
Even if prices were equal I'd buy a Vette over a Porsche.
01-15-2013, 09:37 PM
#37
Race Director
Just a way for GM to make a bigger profit.
Ok by me though because it gave me the option to purchase the 1LT.
The driving experience is what is important for me not how much carbon fibre the interior has or if the car has Nav.
Ok by me though because it gave me the option to purchase the 1LT.
The driving experience is what is important for me not how much carbon fibre the interior has or if the car has Nav.
01-15-2013, 10:48 PM
#38
Le Mans Master
An optional swanky interior is all fine and good, but Corvette will never get out of the "fast car but crap interior" ghetto if the base interior doesn't meet or exceed what you can get in any other $40K car. That's both materials and features, and that's every year, not just the first year.
01-15-2013, 11:36 PM
#39
Race Director
Great value is not an issue with this car.
01-16-2013, 12:06 AM
#40
Gimme an aggressive Z06 stripped to hell with nothing but two good seats and some carpet and a dash. NO audio, no removable roof, no badges, no nothing...65k bucks.
BUILD THE DRIVER CAR....NO CRAP INSIDE...no navi, no *****, no carbon...no nothin...make it function like an F22 cockpit...gimme what I need to get the job done as badass as possible on a road course. Gimme cloth seats for all I care...I want a badass...who cares about the interior....
If I were buying a Corvette for a daily, or to drive around as a retiree, yes, I'd want plush interior...so I'd buy that model...the plush interior, comfy ride, auto tranny, "hey look at me" car..
I'm a younger guy though, want a track terror, and if people don't like my crappy interior...they can get out...
BUILD THE DRIVER CAR....NO CRAP INSIDE...no navi, no *****, no carbon...no nothin...make it function like an F22 cockpit...gimme what I need to get the job done as badass as possible on a road course. Gimme cloth seats for all I care...I want a badass...who cares about the interior....
If I were buying a Corvette for a daily, or to drive around as a retiree, yes, I'd want plush interior...so I'd buy that model...the plush interior, comfy ride, auto tranny, "hey look at me" car..
I'm a younger guy though, want a track terror, and if people don't like my crappy interior...they can get out...
