obzidian

Your barking up the wrong tree junior. Base model? Tell that to my last two c6 z06's and my turbo camaro. (S485.. look it up.)

Yeah, I'm slow and ford is whooping up on chevy.

obzidian

Though I'm not disagreeing with you, I believe what should be noted is that the limits are very different between these two cars and that is what some folks are having a hard time seeing.

bladex10

Doesn't change the fact you're still a biased chevy nut rider.

obzidian

Hey, you have tons of threads to troll in so pace yourself, wouldn't want you to fall of your milk crate now.

PRE-Z06

It's 662hp to be exact and they degeared it to try to harness the extra power with the same skinny tires as previous gt500 so that cancelled out some of the power increase(they seem to only trap ~5mph faster than 550hp models)...even with a DR swap I believe the best I've heard of is a 10.8@129 with skinnies and the C6Z has bested that by a tenth and mph w/o front runners. Granted it wasn't the same day, but it's a drivers race as you're comparing a NA to FI which gets heat soaked. FWIW I used to own a stang and I've beaten 530rwhp terminators to 600rwhp GT500 with my measely 445rwhp C5 (all cars on DRs), but I consider myself a realist as well...maybe it's the driver mod

I love the looks of the GT500, but would honestly take a CTSV over one as to me a car with a back seat should have 4-doors to make it useable...otherwise it's only purpose is for ******** imo lol

Xedes

If by "stirring up ****" you mean not being some close minded fanboy, then i guess you're right. However, I did notice you didn't say I was wrong.

Now, I don't know if you have been keeping score at home but this is the pecking order.

Mustang GT beats Camaro SS
Boss 302 ties Camaro 1le
GT500 beats Camaro ZL1
GT500 vs C7 ---????

rcallen484

No, I believe he was referring to your obsession with **** intercourse imagery.

jackhall99

hihoSilver

So, you are a mustang fan. Thats great. We spend our money on what we want, you spend yours the way you want. okay? Yeah....that would be great.

RLJ676

The 1LE is a Camaro SS, the one that competes against the GT. Therefore,
1LE kills GT
1LE beats 302 everywhere I've seen http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...-camaro-ss-1le

ZL1 has more victories than GT500

GT500 isn't even in the same room as a C7 on a track. Your scorecard is crap. Please link anywhere where the GT track pack kills a 1LE, or even a 302 does.....We've all seen the many ZL1 vs GT500 comparo's, and they both win depends on track. The GT500 is less than 1 second ahead of the 1LE in C&D's lightening lap, while the ZL1 is 3 seconds ahead of the GT500. The Z06 is like 7 seconds faster.

So to think the guys who make the heavier, less powerful ZL1/1LE outrun mustangs can't have the C7 blowing their doors off is laughable, at best.

Kappa

Are we just going to ignore the Chevy SS sedan coming in a few months? And I'll put the SS/1LE/ZL1 lineup against the Mustang anyday. Put the C7 on top of that and I'd say Chevy is doing just fine.

Now I know you don't want to expand into Lincoln vs Cadillac so I won't get into that.

jackhall99

I am a gear head and like all cars, but within one minute of looking, I find the Boss 302, costing $5K more, losing to the Camaro 1LE by 2.5 seconds lap time.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...-camaro-ss-1le

And I won't search for the C&D and other comparos, but the ZL1 beats the GT500 in most tests around the track while the Mustang generally rules at the strip. But watching the Mustang forums, that car has some very breakable parts too.

It doesn't matter to me, but the name-calling here is playground crap guys.

jackhall99

Automobile Magazine: Camaro 1LE over the Boss 302 on the trak.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...2/viewall.html

Aaron Keating

The site was listing the 2013 when I did the fantasy build for the Shelby.

It's now listing the 2014.

And the cost went up tremendously on the build. 61,935 to get the track pack and -zero- other special options.

If you get a vette at the current estimated MSRP you have over 5 grand to play with... which I think we all are smart enough to acknowledge that's plenty enough for a Turbo Kit which would make the Shelby look really bad by comparison.

I like both cars. I really do. (well I'd like the shelby more if they would feed it a diet plan. Anything over 3500 is too much!)

I agree most people will never ever reach the limits of their cars. And most of the people swearing by their speeds will never actually even autocross, or take them to a dragstrip.

Hell most people will never reach the performance limits of a bone stock C3 vette for that matter. Okay they might... because that car's handling is best described on a good day as Evil. but still.

Xedes

I give up. I'm on my phone now so I don't feeling like linking the articles I've read on the Boss vs 1LE but I will say the LE did edge it out on the track but they still said the boss was a better car. (EDIT: I just read the links you posted and they say the same thing. LE edges the boss out by a slim margin BUT the Boss is the better car).
The Mustang GT competes against the Camaro SS period. I had an SS and you can go to any site and quickly realize these two go head to head. Hell, post an article that puts the GT against the 1LE because I haven't seen one yet.
Finally to Notredamus who stated the GT500 "isn't even in the same room" as the C7 on a track. Post ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL that gives a single freakin track number for the C7 because without it, that statement makes you look like a complete moron that's doing nothing more than creating fictitious facts to try and win some argument.

jackhall99

Frank, the performance envelopes across the comparable models is so close, the winner/loser doesn't really matter. Too many variables to give a damn anyway.

As I have read different reviews, the Camaro is generally considered easier to live with, but even that is a toss-up.

Xedes

Very true Jack. There are so many variables and where one model might shine in one event, it might suck in a different event and that is what I really was trying to point out, you can't win on a track and then get blown away on the strip and still claim to be the best car.

However, having owned a '11 SS, it really has some issues. Blindspots are horrible and the build quality was down right sh1tty. It really had me second guessing coming back to a Corvette. Heck, I sold my SS 4 months ago and I'm still waiting for parts from a recall to come in that were order 4 months BEFORE I sold it. If GM doesn't get their stuff together I'm not even going to consider a C7. I'll be patiently waiting to hear feedback from the people that run out and buy them.

Mr C7

I love the gt500 and think it is a badass car for sure, but, other than acceleration what does it do better than a C7 for essentially the same price? It's all motor (a very monsterous $20k motor ) in a chassis that is built for under $20k. It offers 3/10 or so to 60 mph, 6 or 7 more in the quarter and maybe 10 mph on top. Again badass but what else does it do?

Texan1Z06

exactly.

Plus if you put 550-600 hp on the base vette - it's going to encroach into the Z and ZR performance range bc it's so light compared to a stang. It will also drive up sticker price, insurance rates (from all the extra crashes due to loss of traction/control) You need more power than 450 to cut down the 0-100 mph times or 1/4 mi times, but thats what modding is for or upgrading to a C7 Z.

Snorman

As the owner of two (2) '13 GT500's, I expect that the '13 GT500 will be faster than the C7 (non Z06/ZR1, of course). It's also as fast or faster than a C6 Z06. My black car has gone 11.3 @ 127+ bone stock, on stock Goodyear F1's. It's also ran a 7.89 60-130, which is .01 slower than the fastest C6Z time on the 6speedonline 60-130 "fast list". It's a fast car. It's also a hard car to wring that performance out of due to the factory hobbling it with an "electronic powertrain feature" that cuts throttle angle with clutch slip and PCM managment that won't give the car full power with coolant temps below 170*. The small rear tires relative to 662 hp are also a good point...even in warm Florida air it's not the difficult to get it to blow off the tires in 3rd gear.

I'm not even going to compare the car to a 5th Gen Camaro (and I've put plenty of miles on a few) because...well...this is Corvette Forum, not the Camaro forum. But I think it's hard to make the argument that the GT500 is going to be in the same handling class as the C7. Corvette has always been a purpose-built 2-seat sports car, not a 4-seat coupe with a trunk.
S.