GT500 has 662bhp for 54K, C7 450bhp for 60K?
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#182
Safety Car
Yea, but that can also come down to the driver. Fact is that one thing this test shows is that more sports oriented or track oriented cars such as the Lambo, Mc, and Nissan are much fasted than tanks like the Mustang and Camaro. It certainly demostrates what better aero dynamics and lower weight can provide over brute power. You can bet that once the higher end C7's arrive with their higher output engines, the pecking order will change a bit. You can certainly bet that the Zl1 and Shelby will be looking at the rear of the C7 at that stage.
What would be really interesting is where the base c7 would fall in this race. 580HP pigs compared to a more stealth like 450HP C7.. I'd bet it would be closer than many would expect.
At the end of the day, I still feel that most Corvette people like the Vette for a lot of reasons beyond just HP. Mustang and Camaro people are all about HP and could give a crap about how they handle on a race track with actual turns. Mustangs and Camaro's are more raw where as a Corvette is more refined just like their perspective buyers.
What would be really interesting is where the base c7 would fall in this race. 580HP pigs compared to a more stealth like 450HP C7.. I'd bet it would be closer than many would expect.
At the end of the day, I still feel that most Corvette people like the Vette for a lot of reasons beyond just HP. Mustang and Camaro people are all about HP and could give a crap about how they handle on a race track with actual turns. Mustangs and Camaro's are more raw where as a Corvette is more refined just like their perspective buyers.
I know I don't fall under the description of a Corvette guy or a Mustang guy, I'm a car guy. I can appreciate cars in all shapes, sizes and manufacturers. If Yugo came out with something that impressed me I would give them the kudos they deserve and if I owned a Lamborghini and thought it was a POS, I would say so. My ego isn't so fragile that I can't concede to a better vehicle or give due props to a vehicle that's just as good as the one I have. Then again, that's just me.
#183
Le Mans Master
Am i missing something here? I get the Vette will run circles around the Stang on a track, but line up the side view mirrors on a highway and the Stang will run away from the C7.
Given both Dodge and Chevy had no clue Ford would screw both them over with the bang-for-buck in the Shelby, but the bar was raised, and Chevy didn't really show us anything that was WOW with regards to power.
Funny how LOW 450bhp sounds now isn't it?
Given both Dodge and Chevy had no clue Ford would screw both them over with the bang-for-buck in the Shelby, but the bar was raised, and Chevy didn't really show us anything that was WOW with regards to power.
Funny how LOW 450bhp sounds now isn't it?
#184
How would a C7 owner feel if he/she lost a race to a GT500?
Not much different than a GT500 owner would feel after losing a race to a crotch rocket or a traxxas x01.
btw, the x01 does 0-100 in 5.0 seconds. The gt500 takes 7.7 seconds.
Not much different than a GT500 owner would feel after losing a race to a crotch rocket or a traxxas x01.
btw, the x01 does 0-100 in 5.0 seconds. The gt500 takes 7.7 seconds.
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#185
Le Mans Master
.... At the end of the day, I still feel that most Corvette people like the Vette for a lot of reasons beyond just HP. Mustang and Camaro people are all about HP and could give a crap about how they handle on a race track with actual turns. Mustangs and Camaro's are more raw where as a Corvette is more refined just like their perspective buyers.
People who buy a Corvette are generally looking at the overall performance capabilities of the car, not just paper racing and bar/country club bragging rights.
I'm a car guy and like all performance cars, and have since the 50s. The Mustang and Camaro are awesome, but different than the Corvette. Just pay your money, take your choice, and respect the other person's choice.
#186
Le Mans Master
Old statement, and I've posted this before: We don't give a damn!
I bought my first 'vette, a 300 327 roadster, in 1967 and loved it. There were many other muscle cars in addition to some Camaros and Mustangs that would beat me on the strip. The girls still liked gracing the passenger seat of my 'lowly' Corvette.
If I wanted to play with the big boys, I could plunk down the additional money then for some equalizing power. And we can do that yet today.
I bought my first 'vette, a 300 327 roadster, in 1967 and loved it. There were many other muscle cars in addition to some Camaros and Mustangs that would beat me on the strip. The girls still liked gracing the passenger seat of my 'lowly' Corvette.
If I wanted to play with the big boys, I could plunk down the additional money then for some equalizing power. And we can do that yet today.
#187
Having owned the Shelby GT 500 I can honestly say there is no comparison. In the standard trim (no mods) the HP is Impossible to put to the road. You either spin the car or the tires! And any GT500 owner who is honest will tell you that. Wonderful to have 600 HP at 100 MPH plus but not at launch. It's to light in the rear and overpowered by HP. The Corvette is better all around and a true spors car which the GT500 is not. No comparison amigo.
#188
Burning Brakes
Neither the price nor the final power output are known a this time (or if they are, then I'm a little out of the loop). So this thread is premature.
... But while the power output (if it stays at 450) is a bit disappointing to me, especially given what cars like the GT500 are capable of, this is still a silly comparison. Even with 200 less hp, the Vette will likely still beat a GT500 around most tracks with most drivers, stock for stock.
... But while the power output (if it stays at 450) is a bit disappointing to me, especially given what cars like the GT500 are capable of, this is still a silly comparison. Even with 200 less hp, the Vette will likely still beat a GT500 around most tracks with most drivers, stock for stock.
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#190
Safety Car
Having owned the Shelby GT 500 I can honestly say there is no comparison. In the standard trim (no mods) the HP is Impossible to put to the road. You either spin the car or the tires! And any GT500 owner who is honest will tell you that. Wonderful to have 600 HP at 100 MPH plus but not at launch. It's to light in the rear and overpowered by HP. The Corvette is better all around and a true spors car which the GT500 is not. No comparison amigo.
I love that even a stock showroom car cannot use 1st under WOT, even with a decent tire. The GT500 is a good bargain as you are getting an upgraded drivetrain from the factory but the chassis or essentially the "car" itself is just not comparable. Completely different platforms.
#192
Traded in my 2009 zo6 for my 13 gt500. People do cross shop these cars. The vast majority of owners will never see a road course. The difference in handling in street driving isn't a huge deal IMO . Trying to reach the handling limit on the street in either of these cars is nuts. Owners will put the foot to the floor on the street and drag strip in both of these and the gt500 competes well there. The stock tires work when it's warm out but are useless in cold weather. Same as stock good years on the zo6. I've run 11.2 at the track bone stock which is comparable to the zo6 best time. The gt500 has better seats ,interior and fits four people. I'm also finding it to be more reliable . The vette rode better, stopped better and got way better gas mileage . If the c7 can come close to the old zo6 in performance with its upgraded interior and electronics I might be a buyer
#193
Race Director
I have zero interest in a Mustang for a zillion reasons -- and would never cross-shop. That does not make them bad, nor bad deals for the money. But, I don't think any amount of money sunk into a Mustang with say the same performance as a Vette would give me the other "stuff" I get from the Vette.
This is such a dopey argument. I mean, I don't get folks who buy Rolexes when there are Timexes that are as good or better at telling time and just as "tough" or tougher. But, if you want what a Rolex delivers, you buy one.
This whole thread depresses me that people compare these things over HP. Chevy will eventually get sick HP into the Vette, and you will pay $$$$ for it. But, still less than a comparable exotic, and more than a comperable Stang. You'd think folks would have figured that out by now...
#194
#195
Burning Brakes
NOT NECESSARILY! Should all those people who bought $70K Caymans be embarrassed because a cheaper Vette will probably beat them in a straight line and on most tracks? No -- they are looking for something that the Cayman satisfies at the expense of what the Vette gives. How about folks buying an Aston at 2X - 3X the price?
I have zero interest in a Mustang for a zillion reasons -- and would never cross-shop. That does not make them bad, nor bad deals for the money. But, I don't think any amount of money sunk into a Mustang with say the same performance as a Vette would give me the other "stuff" I get from the Vette.
This is such a dopey argument. I mean, I don't get folks who buy Rolexes when there are Timexes that are as good or better at telling time and just as "tough" or tougher. But, if you want what a Rolex delivers, you buy one.
This whole thread depresses me that people compare these things over HP. Chevy will eventually get sick HP into the Vette, and you will pay $$$$ for it. But, still less than a comparable exotic, and more than a comperable Stang. You'd think folks would have figured that out by now...
I have zero interest in a Mustang for a zillion reasons -- and would never cross-shop. That does not make them bad, nor bad deals for the money. But, I don't think any amount of money sunk into a Mustang with say the same performance as a Vette would give me the other "stuff" I get from the Vette.
This is such a dopey argument. I mean, I don't get folks who buy Rolexes when there are Timexes that are as good or better at telling time and just as "tough" or tougher. But, if you want what a Rolex delivers, you buy one.
This whole thread depresses me that people compare these things over HP. Chevy will eventually get sick HP into the Vette, and you will pay $$$$ for it. But, still less than a comparable exotic, and more than a comperable Stang. You'd think folks would have figured that out by now...
#198
Here's the deal. My old C5 will walk cars worth 10x as much. Does it make it faster? Yes. Better? In most cases, no.
A Corvette is a Corvette, and the C7 delivered. A Corvette will always be better than a mustang.
A Corvette is a Corvette, and the C7 delivered. A Corvette will always be better than a mustang.
#199
Instructor
I was going to buy a C6 Z06 or an 08 Z51 and ended up buying a 2011 mustang GT SOLELY because I needed backseats at the time. For every person NOT willing to cross shop there are others that will. I'm not sure why a lot of you guys make these blanket statements that you think apply to everyone.
The base model vette didn't need to have more than 450hp IMO If it in fact shaved some weight. And I'd almost guarantee it's underrated and makes around 420whp-430whp stock. They also may have left a little room on the table to make a little more power in a few years, (maybe 475hp?) I think Chevy knows what they're doing and I have a good feeling they will have no problem selling these cars. A lot of you guys get wrapped up in #'s when in fact all you do is PUT around in these cars and sit in folding chairs on sunday afternoons at firehouses and parks anyway with your hoods popped on your stock or barely modded cars. 430hp was more than a lot could handle as it was and we all know how well the LS3 responds to mods so for the <10% of people that actually modify their vettes, they will be fine. These cars should be able to go 11.70's with minimal bolt on mods and make 600whp+ with a bolt on blower.
The base model vette didn't need to have more than 450hp IMO If it in fact shaved some weight. And I'd almost guarantee it's underrated and makes around 420whp-430whp stock. They also may have left a little room on the table to make a little more power in a few years, (maybe 475hp?) I think Chevy knows what they're doing and I have a good feeling they will have no problem selling these cars. A lot of you guys get wrapped up in #'s when in fact all you do is PUT around in these cars and sit in folding chairs on sunday afternoons at firehouses and parks anyway with your hoods popped on your stock or barely modded cars. 430hp was more than a lot could handle as it was and we all know how well the LS3 responds to mods so for the <10% of people that actually modify their vettes, they will be fine. These cars should be able to go 11.70's with minimal bolt on mods and make 600whp+ with a bolt on blower.
#200
Melting Slicks