several serious reasons the C7 is inadequate
01-14-2013, 01:04 AM
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Looks like im still here. And "LS7 like torque curves" still sounds like salesperson gibberish mean to misdirect people.
Like saying the frame is 99 lbs lighter, when the car is 100 lbs heavier.
What a co-inky-dink!
01-14-2013, 01:11 AM
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One of your gripes is the C7 not having LED headlights. I don't know if I missed something but from what I understand there isn't a single manufacturer that has made an LED headlamp. Nearly every high end anything has Bi-xenon headlights due to their superior performance.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
01-14-2013, 01:11 AM
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For all the whiners and haters here. If you think you can do a better job on designing a Sports Car than what GM has done here, STFU, open up a car company, and call me in a couple of years when your ready to sell your 650HP, 0-60 in 2.9s, 1/4 mile in 10.3, 39k Super Car.
Please. As someone who's been a member on this board for almost 14 years, I'm embarrassed with all this non-sense. Some real immature whiny folks here. Why don't you whiners go back to your Toyota Celica's with those 9" Fart Cans.
Please. As someone who's been a member on this board for almost 14 years, I'm embarrassed with all this non-sense. Some real immature whiny folks here. Why don't you whiners go back to your Toyota Celica's with those 9" Fart Cans.
01-14-2013, 01:11 AM
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You have to compare this car to a base C6....not a Z06 or ZR1...those come later. If you need the 638HP I think GM still has a few on the lot, and that car is faster than the new Viper, and the GT500, and alot of others. As GM tinkers with this model it will get faster still.
01-14-2013, 01:13 AM
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We can even state the LS7 weights roughly the same as a coyote, more compact, and makes 90 more hp.
LS7 makes 505 hp per cam, Coyote makes 104. LS7 makes 31.5 hp per valve, Coyote makes 12.8. Z06 makes 252.5hp per floor mat, Mustang makes 104...
01-14-2013, 01:13 AM
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1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
The new Mustangs are much heavier than our Corvettes.
You can not compare a Mustang to a Corvette let alone a GT500 to the Base Corvette. 
Our 08 and newer Corvettes have run times as fast as high 11, low 12 second quarter mile times in stock trim with goodyear run flats.
Note the narrow bodies run faster than the GS. The C7 should be at least one tenth faster and that is not taking into account the new tires.
Many of us are fans of "you can never have enough horse power" but remember you have to be able to get it to the ground ....as it is 430-436 HP can be more than a hand full in cooler temps on the stock rubber
Time will tell, once we have a few CF members with some serious seat time you will see some very impressive numbers
01-14-2013, 01:25 AM
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One of your gripes is the C7 not having LED headlights. I don't know if I missed something but from what I understand there isn't a single manufacturer that has made an LED headlamp. Nearly every high end anything has Bi-xenon headlights due to their superior performance.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
Sorry if thats rude.
http://www.autospies.com/news/Cadill...dlights-25910/
01-14-2013, 01:27 AM
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They're not going to raise the price of the base Corvette by $5400.00 in just one model year.My guess is $53k MSRP (or less?) for the base model 2014 Corvette.
01-14-2013, 01:29 AM
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Many of us are fans of "you can never have enough horse power" but remember you have to be able to get it to the ground ....as it is 430-436 HP can be more than a hand full in cooler temps on the stock rubber
01-14-2013, 01:30 AM
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How much power does the C7 have per fanboy?
01-14-2013, 01:34 AM
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1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
01-14-2013, 01:37 AM
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You REALLY need to stop quoting car magazines as your ONLY source of information, it really hurts your credibility.
NO stock Porsche Turbo (Turbo S included) has ever beaten the quickest 1/4 mile ET/MPH recorded for a bone stock Corvette ZR1. They have come real close though.
Bone stock C6 ZR1:
Same exact car with ONLY a rear wheel/tire swap:
Real world, NOT just magazines.
01-14-2013, 01:39 AM
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So if I see a lap time within a couple seconds (faster or slower) than a Corvette, I'm just supposed to ignore it?
Hence the Zr1 being slower than the Porsche 911 Turbo which had 130 horsepower less but was almost a second faster in the 1/4 mile. Hence me thinking GM should have focused on traction and more power instead of weighing more and barely any power increase.
Hence the Zr1 being slower than the Porsche 911 Turbo which had 130 horsepower less but was almost a second faster in the 1/4 mile. Hence me thinking GM should have focused on traction and more power instead of weighing more and barely any power increase.
Pretty sure they did focus on traction since they're claiming sub 4-second 0-60 times for the base model. Expecting the same kind of off the line traction as a car with AWD and a rear weight bias is just plain silly and naive.
01-14-2013, 01:43 AM
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One of your gripes is the C7 not having LED headlights. I don't know if I missed something but from what I understand there isn't a single manufacturer that has made an LED headlamp. Nearly every high end anything has Bi-xenon headlights due to their superior performance.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
I certainly hope you didn't actually mean an LED or a series of LED's would somehow replace an HID with Ballast setup. Because as of yet there isn't anything like that, as they are incredibly inferior and for them to even compete with an HID system the amount of heat produced by said LED's causes a series of issues for Automakers.
Now, BMW is using lasers in prototype headlights, but still has yet to use them in production vehicles. Where Audi and others trying to play catch up are using led's as turn signals and DRLS. The C7 has a Bi-Xenon projector with HID's, along with white led DRL's and separate amber turn/hazard led's.
This just happened to be one of the gripes that stood out as ridiculous, perhaps you should rethink what it is exactly you're upset about.
01-14-2013, 01:43 AM
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Huh? According to who?
You REALLY need to stop quoting car magazines as your ONLY source of information, it really hurts your credibility.
NO stock Porsche Turbo (Turbo S included) has ever beaten the quickest 1/4 mile ET/MPH recorded for a bone stock Corvette ZR1. They have come real close though.
Bone stock C6 ZR1:
Same exact car with ONLY a rear wheel/tire swap:
Real world, NOT just magazines.
You REALLY need to stop quoting car magazines as your ONLY source of information, it really hurts your credibility.
NO stock Porsche Turbo (Turbo S included) has ever beaten the quickest 1/4 mile ET/MPH recorded for a bone stock Corvette ZR1. They have come real close though.
Bone stock C6 ZR1:
Same exact car with ONLY a rear wheel/tire swap:
Real world, NOT just magazines.
You should really stop using youtube videos for your information, it really hurts your credibility.
Should we only look at the fastest ZR1 time slips?
I arbitrarily choose the 11.235s time from the 1/4 mile list, just like you arbitrarily chose the 10.6 time.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...fast-list.html
01-14-2013, 01:45 AM
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A couple seconds is an eternity on the racetrack.
Pretty sure they did focus on traction since they're claiming sub 4-second 0-60 times for the base model. Expecting the same kind of off the line traction as a car with AWD and a rear weight bias is just plain silly and naive.
Pretty sure they did focus on traction since they're claiming sub 4-second 0-60 times for the base model. Expecting the same kind of off the line traction as a car with AWD and a rear weight bias is just plain silly and naive.
01-14-2013, 01:46 AM
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A couple seconds is an eternity on the racetrack.
Pretty sure they did focus on traction since they're claiming sub 4-second 0-60 times for the base model. Expecting the same kind of off the line traction as a car with AWD and a rear weight bias is just plain silly and naive.
Pretty sure they did focus on traction since they're claiming sub 4-second 0-60 times for the base model. Expecting the same kind of off the line traction as a car with AWD and a rear weight bias is just plain silly and naive.
01-14-2013, 01:47 AM
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NO 8-speed automatic!!!! Still has same slow 6-speed 
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/01/13/2...re-is-to-know/
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