several serious reasons the C7 is inadequate
01-13-2013, 08:11 PM
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the 2013 mustang GT500 msrp is $54k and it has 662hp with an 11.4s 1/4 mile..again..the C7 should have at least 500hp in the base model. yes its not a corvette, but shouldnt the new corvette at least be raising the bar A LITTLE out there?
shouldnt it be faster than the latest mustang like it was before?
shouldnt it be faster than the latest mustang like it was before?
01-13-2013, 08:13 PM
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I think the car at the Reveal looked great.
The car was just introduced, I'll reserve my final judgement 'till I see it up close and personal at the NCM Bash
The car was just introduced, I'll reserve my final judgement 'till I see it up close and personal at the NCM Bash
01-13-2013, 08:14 PM
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1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
01-13-2013, 08:17 PM
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Not only that but he's fixed on horsepower numbers. It is a common agreement here on the forum that the initial C6 was NOT quicker than a C5Z06 and even the engineers stated the goal was to be within 75% of the C5Z's performance abilities for a base C6.
Tadge just got through saying the prototype car was faster around their track than a grandsport with all the performance boxes checked. Previous C6 was 190mph top speed, this one will be higher. Seven speed gearbox, lighter, five different driver modes.
A significant bump in torque. DI is new territory for Corvette, the tweaks and bumps will come.....why lay all the cards out on the table up front? Why are we overlooking all the new tech folded into this engine because it's shy of your expected output? They had to do something different with the back end, it's been the same slab with four lights since the C5.
What more are you wanting from the base model? Where on the street are you going to use more than what they are giving you for now? You can't please everyone, your complaints would be legit if you weren't hung up on hp numbers for the sake of a pissing match. Drive the car.....
Tadge just got through saying the prototype car was faster around their track than a grandsport with all the performance boxes checked. Previous C6 was 190mph top speed, this one will be higher. Seven speed gearbox, lighter, five different driver modes.
A significant bump in torque. DI is new territory for Corvette, the tweaks and bumps will come.....why lay all the cards out on the table up front? Why are we overlooking all the new tech folded into this engine because it's shy of your expected output? They had to do something different with the back end, it's been the same slab with four lights since the C5.
What more are you wanting from the base model? Where on the street are you going to use more than what they are giving you for now? You can't please everyone, your complaints would be legit if you weren't hung up on hp numbers for the sake of a pissing match. Drive the car.....
01-13-2013, 08:18 PM
#30
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I think it should be 600HP, weigh 2600lbs and be $45k. I mean why not! And while we're at it I think a MacBook Pro Retina should be $900 and have twice the RAM and clock speed and I think a 4500 sq ft apartment in Manhattan should be $700k...
I think the C7 sounds great... There comes a point where you need to put *exponentially more* money into getting any lighter or getting any more HP. We (all cars, not just the Vette), are right there at that point. In other words, you gotta pay to play.
"Demanding" lighter *and* more HP *and* cheaper is ridiculously unrealistic.
But hey, the other alternative is to just go buy the brand new car that performs better for less money. Let everyone know when you find it
I think the C7 sounds great... There comes a point where you need to put *exponentially more* money into getting any lighter or getting any more HP. We (all cars, not just the Vette), are right there at that point. In other words, you gotta pay to play.
"Demanding" lighter *and* more HP *and* cheaper is ridiculously unrealistic.
But hey, the other alternative is to just go buy the brand new car that performs better for less money. Let everyone know when you find it
It would, if not for the auto workers unions
01-13-2013, 08:19 PM
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It does NOT have Camaro tail lights. I own a Grand Sport 4LT and a Camaro ZL1 and I am here to tell you those tail lights are not even close to Camaro. It is the one thing many have latched on too in order to spew their discontent for a car they didn't like anyway. Find another reason to spread your BS!
01-13-2013, 08:20 PM
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Not only that but he's fixed on horsepower numbers. It is a common agreement here on the forum that the initial C6 was NOT quicker than a C5Z06 and even the engineers stated the goal was to be within 75% of the C5Z's performance abilities for a base C6.
Tadge just got through saying the prototype car was faster around their track than a grandsport with all the performance boxes checked. Previous C6 was 190mph top speed, this one will be higher. Seven speed gearbox, lighter, five different driver modes.
A significant bump in torque. DI is new territory for Corvette, the tweaks and bumps will come.....why lay all the cards out on the table up front? Why are we overlooking all the new tech folded into this engine because it's shy of your expected output? They had to do something different with the back end, it's been the same slab with four lights since the C5.
What more are you wanting from the base model? Where on the street are you going to use more than what they are giving you for now? You can't please everyone, your complaints would be legit if you weren't hung up on hp numbers for the sake of a pissing match. Drive the car.....
Tadge just got through saying the prototype car was faster around their track than a grandsport with all the performance boxes checked. Previous C6 was 190mph top speed, this one will be higher. Seven speed gearbox, lighter, five different driver modes.
A significant bump in torque. DI is new territory for Corvette, the tweaks and bumps will come.....why lay all the cards out on the table up front? Why are we overlooking all the new tech folded into this engine because it's shy of your expected output? They had to do something different with the back end, it's been the same slab with four lights since the C5.
What more are you wanting from the base model? Where on the street are you going to use more than what they are giving you for now? You can't please everyone, your complaints would be legit if you weren't hung up on hp numbers for the sake of a pissing match. Drive the car.....
BUT, its true that its early, and maybe the numbers will prove otherwise.
The real reason I'm worried though, and its a very shaky reason that is based ENTIRELY on two things, so I didnt mention it in the first post:
-the stingray website showing 0-60 at 3.9s
-the fact that we now have a 7 speed transmission..
This was my BIG HOPE for the C7...this is what we should really be discussing:
the 2010 porsche 911 turbo gets low 11's and 3.0 0-60 with 500hp! And it weighs 3500 lbs!!!
*THATS* what I figured GM was going to do with the C7...get the corvette into the low 11's through traction with better gearing and maybe a little help in engine and lower weight....
But 3.9s is not consistent with that.....WTF
01-13-2013, 08:22 PM
#34
Le Mans Master
This car Rocks 
I cannot wait to see all the different models and options they will offer once the car is totally rolled out.
It's called a Stingray because Chevy owns the name and they built the car and can call it any thing they want. acannell when you but GM you can do whatever you want lol.
I want to see what the Top End Stingray does to the Fiat that is being re-released this year, I can't remember the name but I think it was named after a snake.
I cannot wait to see all the different models and options they will offer once the car is totally rolled out.It's called a Stingray because Chevy owns the name and they built the car and can call it any thing they want. acannell when you but GM you can do whatever you want lol.
I want to see what the Top End Stingray does to the Fiat that is being re-released this year, I can't remember the name but I think it was named after a snake.
01-13-2013, 08:22 PM
#35
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after reviewing a lot of the press from the last 2 hours it with absolute certainty that the C7 will be quicker than the C6 in all areas of measured performance. Why:
* 7 speed transmission
* 50ft/lb torque increase in the lower rpm range
* Lower center of gravity by a fair margin
* significant aero enhancements
Want me to keep going?
* 7 speed transmission
* 50ft/lb torque increase in the lower rpm range
* Lower center of gravity by a fair margin
* significant aero enhancements
Want me to keep going?
01-13-2013, 08:24 PM
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01-13-2013, 08:26 PM
#38
Safety Car
But maybe I haven't kept up with Camaros.
01-13-2013, 08:28 PM
#39
THIS CAR SHOULD BE A MILLION HP AND TURN 2G ON THE SKID PAD!!!11!!!!!
Some people want the world for nothing. Idiots.
Some people want the world for nothing. Idiots.
01-13-2013, 08:28 PM
#40
Le Mans Master
Don't Worry!
1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
This one is great show, but, the ballsy one I'm sure will follow$
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