several serious reasons the C7 is inadequate
02-10-2013, 03:36 PM
#201
Team Owner
I won't be selling my ZR1 any time soon.
You do realize that the 662hp Mustang GT500 is a $20k car with a $30k engine, right?
02-10-2013, 03:43 PM
#203
Burning Brakes
Probably not, but I get tried of hearing those that believe only they are entitled to discus(good0) the C7 because they "can afford one and plan to buy one", and any one that discusses the C7(bad) should get out of the C7 section. Well, it works both ways.
Hope he does purchase a new C7 as GM will need the sales......bad. But, those of us that have purchased new Corvettes in the past, are the reason there is a Corvette for him to purchase later this year.
Hope he does purchase a new C7 as GM will need the sales......bad. But, those of us that have purchased new Corvettes in the past, are the reason there is a Corvette for him to purchase later this year.
Have a nice day.
02-10-2013, 03:48 PM
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1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
02-10-2013, 03:49 PM
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lol looks like i hit a nerve..im an 09 C6 owner and I would LOVE to have the C7 eating away at my brain and forcing me to buy one...but this reveal is nowhere near the experience of the first time I ran into the C6 (visually or spec wise)...
maybe i will be proven wrong with the road tests come out..i hope so..
maybe i will be proven wrong with the road tests come out..i hope so..
02-10-2013, 03:50 PM
#206
Burning Brakes
Well, tell us about the Corvette you currently own. What makes you so special that you are entitled to make posts in the C7 section, as you don't own a C7 either.
I currently own a C1, C2 and a C6 so I have reasons to belong to this forum. If you don't currently own a Corvette, of any generation, why are you here? Since I don't own a C7, I'm not allowed to participate in the C7 section, but you are? LOL
If you feel you are entitled to belong to the Corvette Forum, particularly the C7 section, yet don't own a Corvette, then why are you saying others aren't?
I currently own a C1, C2 and a C6 so I have reasons to belong to this forum. If you don't currently own a Corvette, of any generation, why are you here? Since I don't own a C7, I'm not allowed to participate in the C7 section, but you are? LOL
If you feel you are entitled to belong to the Corvette Forum, particularly the C7 section, yet don't own a Corvette, then why are you saying others aren't?
You're asking me if I own a Vette and somehow because you own more Corvettes than I do you have more of a right, or entitled to an opinion I simply stated that nobody here owns a C7 Stingray so we are all equally entitled to an opinion here,
However I fail to see why if you have no intent on ever owning a c7 why you just won't go enjoy what you have and let us be?
And that's the last of the troll feeding I'll do today!
02-10-2013, 04:02 PM
#207
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I don't own a c1 but I wonder how well I'd be received if I were more like yourself and decided to head that way and trash talk the car as much as I could on a daily basis?
You're asking me if I own a Vette and somehow because you own more Corvettes than I do you have more of a right, or entitled to an opinion I simply stated that nobody here owns a C7 Stingray so we are all equally entitled to an opinion here,
However I fail to see why if you have no intent on ever owning a c7 why you just won't go enjoy what you have and let us be?
And that's the last of the troll feeding I'll do today!
You're asking me if I own a Vette and somehow because you own more Corvettes than I do you have more of a right, or entitled to an opinion I simply stated that nobody here owns a C7 Stingray so we are all equally entitled to an opinion here,
However I fail to see why if you have no intent on ever owning a c7 why you just won't go enjoy what you have and let us be?
And that's the last of the troll feeding I'll do today!
02-10-2013, 04:08 PM
#209
Team Owner
I don't own a c1 but I wonder how well I'd be received if I were more like yourself and decided to head that way and trash talk the car as much as I could on a daily basis?
You're asking me if I own a Vette and somehow because you own more Corvettes than I do you have more of a right, or entitled to an opinion I simply stated that nobody here owns a C7 Stingray so we are all equally entitled to an opinion here,
However I fail to see why if you have no intent on ever owning a c7 why you just won't go enjoy what you have and let us be?
And that's the last of the troll feeding I'll do today!
You're asking me if I own a Vette and somehow because you own more Corvettes than I do you have more of a right, or entitled to an opinion I simply stated that nobody here owns a C7 Stingray so we are all equally entitled to an opinion here,
However I fail to see why if you have no intent on ever owning a c7 why you just won't go enjoy what you have and let us be?
And that's the last of the troll feeding I'll do today!
Again, what makes you feel that you are so special that you can post on the Corvette forum and I can't? I have just as much right to criticize the C7 as you have to praise it.
02-10-2013, 04:09 PM
#210
Race Director
I will only say regarding the OPs original post: the LS1 hasn't been tested and certified for the final numbers yet. May very well be North of the 450/450 target released by GM so far. The criticism of GM is completely off the mark at this moment.
02-10-2013, 04:15 PM
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02-10-2013, 04:19 PM
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See how you can improve yourself !!!
If you can build a better car do it !
If not see what happens first,
If not see what happens first,
1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
better seats and a somewhat nicer interior
535 hp
11.4 quarter mile, 3.4s 0-60
LED headlights (not LED DRL's)
NOT a camaro rear end
$55000 base model with those specs
02-10-2013, 04:21 PM
#214
Le Mans Master
I beg to differ. The C7 will be anything but inadequate. It will have a completely new upscale interior that many people want. It will have a more modern infotainment system. From the interviews we have all read, it supposedly will have improved ride & handling. As to power, we've kinda reached a point where quantum leaps in that area just are somewhat topped out, at various price points. For a street car, the stock C6 is fast, Z06 very fast & the ZR1 a rocketship. What you seem to expect out of a base car in the C7, is C6 ZR1 performance. Good luck. Every time BMW & Porsche increase the power even a relatively small amount, we all know they charge you up the wazoo a ton of money. When it comes to our corvettes, we get a tremendous bang for the buck in any of the models.
If one wants more, you can get a Z06/ZR1, but you gotta pay for it & they are still a fabulous bargain.
If one wants more, you can get a Z06/ZR1, but you gotta pay for it & they are still a fabulous bargain.
02-10-2013, 04:35 PM
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I am glad the GT500, CTSV, ZL1 are putting down some great numbers at the track. They all have a nice supercharger helping them move. OK let post the Keeks CAD with the supercharger on top of the LT1 in the C7. Just hold your breath things are going to be very fun for the few of us that hold out.
I LOVE YOU HATE THE REAR....so when I race you, you get to look at it!
I LOVE YOU HATE THE REAR....so when I race you, you get to look at it!
02-10-2013, 04:40 PM
#216
Le Mans Master
Hmmm!
1- the jump from C5 to C6 was a 50 hp increase!! the C6 to C7 is 14? isnt that a K&N filter on the LS3? they say the torque is like the LS7 at low rpms..will have to see how relevant that is.
E85 add 40hp!
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
There are design constrants, but, E85 add 40hp, but, base test it with E10 as is the standard NOW!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
The direct upward competition has 400hp,325lb tq, but, add 40hp and don't pull any timing around the track in the summer!
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
The direct competition Porsche 911S cost 123k+ and will probably not be able to beat this thing road racing, especially with E85.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
No mystery? Will it be good enough to be The Best Drivers Car and how will the souped up model do with all the gas gusler constraints ETC ETC.
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
It would have less traction, would need bigger tires, would have more drag with wider fenders, and would cost more as would the bigger tires.
E85 add 40hp!
2- the base C6 was as fast as the previous Z06!! The C7 will weigh more than the C6 Z06 and have 50 hp less power....is that supposed to be exciting? Im not saying the base C7 should be a C6 ZR1..but its been 8 years!!! The C7 should be breaking the C6's records in a big way!
There are design constrants, but, E85 add 40hp, but, base test it with E10 as is the standard NOW!
3- when the C6 came out with 400hp, it had *100HP* more than the brand new mustang...the C7 with 450HP isnt doing anything special..thats just average now for sports cars
The direct upward competition has 400hp,325lb tq, but, add 40hp and don't pull any timing around the track in the summer!
4- this car needs to be in the solid mid 11's with a mid to low 3 second 0-60 to be exciting, especially at $59 grand.
The direct competition Porsche 911S cost 123k+ and will probably not be able to beat this thing road racing, especially with E85.
5- this car has no links to the stingray..calling it that is ridiculous...it doesnt have the curves and it doesnt have the mystery
No mystery? Will it be good enough to be The Best Drivers Car and how will the souped up model do with all the gas gusler constraints ETC ETC.
Heres what the C7 SHOULD have been:
200 lbs lighter..figure it out GM
It would have less traction, would need bigger tires, would have more drag with wider fenders, and would cost more as would the bigger tires.
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02-10-2013, 05:41 PM
#218
Melting Slicks
02-10-2013, 05:42 PM
#219
Team Owner
Well, tell us about the Corvette you currently own. What makes you so special that you are entitled to make posts in the C7 section, as you don't own a C7 either.
I currently own a C1, C2 and a C6 so I have reasons to belong to this forum. If you don't currently own a Corvette, of any generation, why are you here? Since I don't own a C7, I'm not allowed to participate in the C7 section, but you are? LOL
If you feel you are entitled to belong to the Corvette Forum, particularly the C7 section, yet don't own a Corvette, then why are you saying others aren't?
I currently own a C1, C2 and a C6 so I have reasons to belong to this forum. If you don't currently own a Corvette, of any generation, why are you here? Since I don't own a C7, I'm not allowed to participate in the C7 section, but you are? LOL
If you feel you are entitled to belong to the Corvette Forum, particularly the C7 section, yet don't own a Corvette, then why are you saying others aren't?
02-10-2013, 05:42 PM
#220