Base C7 vs 07-10 GTR
01-07-2013, 11:53 AM
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Regarding gearing, I would normally assume GM would of course wind first gear out to 60 in order to provide a coveted sub 4 second 0-60. With the advent of the 7 speed manual however, it's tough to imagine they'd introduce yet a third overdrive without having spaced the first four tighter, necessitating an upshift.
I'm still blindly hoping for a 3.9, but I'm not sure how that will be accomplished. Perhaps the ratios don't budge from the TR6060 and GM just gives us a 75mph, 1100rpm option.
I'm still blindly hoping for a 3.9, but I'm not sure how that will be accomplished. Perhaps the ratios don't budge from the TR6060 and GM just gives us a 75mph, 1100rpm option.
01-07-2013, 11:53 AM
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I'm not talking about the new GTR but the first few years of GTR that had 480 hp and not the type of 1/4 mile times as the current models.
Most street races don't start at a red-light. I know the GTR would win off a 0-60 or 1/4 mile only, but from say, 40 to 100 (or even a standing mile race) I think the C7 would be close or beat it.
Most street races don't start at a red-light. I know the GTR would win off a 0-60 or 1/4 mile only, but from say, 40 to 100 (or even a standing mile race) I think the C7 would be close or beat it.
01-07-2013, 12:01 PM
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Most of us aren't talking about the newer "updated" GTR either.
The first R35 never made the 480hp it was purported to have. Nissan didn't so much bump the updated car by 50 horsepower as they did come cleaner about its output. The numbers never added up. 480hp and 3800lbs was netting substantially faster times, and even commensurate roll races with, the 25hp and 700lb advantage the C6Z was working with. Not to mention drag coefficient.
The first R35 never made the 480hp it was purported to have. Nissan didn't so much bump the updated car by 50 horsepower as they did come cleaner about its output. The numbers never added up. 480hp and 3800lbs was netting substantially faster times, and even commensurate roll races with, the 25hp and 700lb advantage the C6Z was working with. Not to mention drag coefficient.
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01-07-2013, 12:04 PM
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I'm not talking about the new GTR but the first few years of GTR that had 480 hp and not the type of 1/4 mile times as the current models.
Most street races don't start at a red-light. I know the GTR would win off a 0-60 or 1/4 mile only, but from say, 40 to 100 (or even a standing mile race) I think the C7 would be close or beat it.
Most street races don't start at a red-light. I know the GTR would win off a 0-60 or 1/4 mile only, but from say, 40 to 100 (or even a standing mile race) I think the C7 would be close or beat it.
01-07-2013, 12:05 PM
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Guess we'll find out eventually
01-07-2013, 12:08 PM
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I had an aquaintance that use to have a GTR.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
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01-07-2013, 01:13 PM
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01-07-2013, 01:29 PM
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Unless GM has some kind of trick up their sleeves.. the GTR wins this battle all day long. I won't give actual answer though until we actually hear what punch this vet will pack. If the Base C7 w/ performance package is => C6Z06 then the GTR might have a fighter in the ring. I couldn't be more excited for 1/13/2013
01-07-2013, 04:17 PM
#49
Drifting
Beat them how? You need to be more specific about what measurement stick we are using.
Pure HP? GTR winner
Pure Acceleration? GTR winner
Top Speed? C7 winner
Braking? C7 winner
Track Laptimes? C7 winner
Sound? C7 winner
Looks? C7 winner
Price? C7 winner
The point is these are two different cars, with two different approaches to performance with two totally different markets. I dont think too many people are cross-shopping a $55k/American/RWD/NA/V8/2 seater with a $90k/Japanese/AWD/Turbo/V6/4 seater. The Vette is made to be simple, affordable, traditional and second car. The GTR is made to be complicated, exotic, easy-to-drive fast, boy-racer and a daily driver. Remember the GTR has a backseat, trunk and weighs atleast 1000lbs more.
Pure HP? GTR winner
Pure Acceleration? GTR winner
Top Speed? C7 winner
Braking? C7 winner
Track Laptimes? C7 winner
Sound? C7 winner
Looks? C7 winner
Price? C7 winner
The point is these are two different cars, with two different approaches to performance with two totally different markets. I dont think too many people are cross-shopping a $55k/American/RWD/NA/V8/2 seater with a $90k/Japanese/AWD/Turbo/V6/4 seater. The Vette is made to be simple, affordable, traditional and second car. The GTR is made to be complicated, exotic, easy-to-drive fast, boy-racer and a daily driver. Remember the GTR has a backseat, trunk and weighs atleast 1000lbs more.
01-07-2013, 05:19 PM
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I had an aquaintance that use to have a GTR.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
Pretty much in line with everything I've ever heard about the car with regards to maintenance and repairs. You'd think getting it fixed would be as easy as just going to your local Nissan dealership, but apparently it's more like taking a Ferrari in for repairs.
01-07-2013, 06:11 PM
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Nope. A base C7 would have to nearly match the performance times of the Nisson GT (0-60, 3.5 sec. ) Thats highly doubtful. My best guess would be a 0-60 of 3.7-3.8 for the base car. And of course were talking rear wheel vs all wheel.
01-07-2013, 07:05 PM
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I had an aquaintance that use to have a GTR.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
His transmission broke at something like 11K miles and it cost him $28K (or was it $18K?, either way it was too much $) to replace. He told me that he put brakes on it every 6 months and it cost him $4K each time. He actually sold the GTR and bought two Hyundai Genesis Coupe Track models for him and his wife, and he said that he enjoyed driving the Genesis' more than he did the GTR. More of a driver's car he said, even though dramatically slower than a GTR.
The GTR is heavy, runs an automatic transmission, heavily computer controlled, somewhat poor mpg, and is awful to maintain. The GTR is a nightmare of a car in my eyes. I just don't care if the GTR is way faster than a C7, the car itself is everything that I don't want in a car.
The only thing that the GTR has going for it, and it is HUGE, is those back seats.
or you can have shep trans fix it for around 2500$ .
as time goes by .. shops figure out a cost effective way to fix them.
A stock 09-10 GTR traps 121 on average. I will assume a C7 will trap the same. Now compare a C7 Z06 and i think it will be a different ball game!!