4xxhp will not be enough
06-02-2012, 09:49 PM
#61
Melting Slicks
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No im looking at several options. I most likely would get a left over z06 as long as the deals are strong enough. The gt500 definitely is an option though.
"A different car." You mean the 2013 Ford Mustang GT500. Be honest. Ford cranks up the boost and you're in love. Hey, that's okay. But be honest with yourself. This is not about Corvette's sudden (potential) inadequacy in the face of an advancing market, this is about one car. Don't feel bad. Don't dress down Corvette for not measuring up. It's just a car, not a girlfriend; you're not going to hurt its feelings because the new barista at Starbucks has even bigger-- ...gets you on an even deeper level. Go to the GT500. Put down a deposit now so that in mid-January, when you learn the C7 that tried to change for you but comes up short of those meaningful measurements, you can place your GT500 order and get it quickly. What matters isn't that you're loyal, what matters is that you're happy.
Seriously. Recognize when you're twitterpated. Heck, get the convertible -- life's better topless, right? (Talk about outshining -- the real story of the GT500 isn't its 650hp trump, it's the fact that its ragtop is only $2000 more.)
.Jinx
Seriously. Recognize when you're twitterpated. Heck, get the convertible -- life's better topless, right? (Talk about outshining -- the real story of the GT500 isn't its 650hp trump, it's the fact that its ragtop is only $2000 more.)
.Jinx
06-02-2012, 09:55 PM
#62
Le Mans Master
"A different car." You mean the 2013 Ford Mustang GT500. Be honest. Ford cranks up the boost and you're in love. Hey, that's okay. But be honest with yourself. This is not about Corvette's sudden (potential) inadequacy in the face of an advancing market, this is about one car. Don't feel bad. Don't dress down Corvette for not measuring up. It's just a car, not a girlfriend; you're not going to hurt its feelings because the new barista at Starbucks has even bigger-- ...gets you on an even deeper level. Go to the GT500. Put down a deposit now so that in mid-January, when you learn the C7 that tried to change for you but comes up short of those meaningful measurements, you can place your GT500 order and get it quickly. What matters isn't that you're loyal, what matters is that you're happy.
Seriously. Recognize when you're twitterpated. Heck, get the convertible -- life's better topless, right? (Talk about outshining -- the real story of the GT500 isn't its 650hp trump, it's the fact that its ragtop is only $2000 more.).Jinx
Seriously. Recognize when you're twitterpated. Heck, get the convertible -- life's better topless, right? (Talk about outshining -- the real story of the GT500 isn't its 650hp trump, it's the fact that its ragtop is only $2000 more.).Jinx
06-02-2012, 10:03 PM
#63
Just some thoughts...
06-02-2012, 10:12 PM
#64
Le Mans Master
The thing with GT500 (2013) is that the engine block is from Ford GT. It's not the mustang block. Secondly the engine is forged. The tranny is very beefed up. To do all these on a Zo6 plus SC, will cost you over $100K including the car, Where as you can a loaded GT500 for $64K or wait for 2015 GT500 totally new design with IRS.
Just some thoughts...
Just some thoughts...
06-02-2012, 10:42 PM
#65
Team Owner
The Ford GT was 5.4L and the new GT500 is 5.8L as well, though both are aluminum (at the time that the GT came out the GT500 still had it's old iron block of course).That has NOT been confirmed yet.
There might not even be a GT500 during the first model year of the next generation Mustang.
06-02-2012, 10:49 PM
#66
Le Mans Master
2007-2010 GT500 = iron blocks 5.4 (wet)
2011-2012 GT500 = alum block 5.4 (wet)
2011-2012 GT500 = alum block 5.4 (wet)
06-02-2012, 10:55 PM
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Lets not forget the final price of that 2013 gt500 with all the options. $67,000 according to the ford website. And thats to get the car to compete with the zl1. My thought is the base wont be above 500hp. Lets be real here, its the base model. 500hp is alot for the base. I cant speak for everyone, but $67,000 for a drag car is to much. And the damn thing wont handle like a zl1 let alone a base c7. Hell that gt500 is going to outrun a zo6 on the 1/4 according to motortrend. Who cares? At least the $67,000 gets you something. LolQUOTE=gatti-man;1580965089]Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.[/QUOTE]
06-02-2012, 11:35 PM
#68
Melting Slicks
Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...013-gt500.html
06-02-2012, 11:37 PM
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OP,
Post up some pics of your new GT500.
I think they're good looking pony cars, and I'm curious what color you choose.
Post up some pics of your new GT500.
I think they're good looking pony cars, and I'm curious what color you choose.
06-02-2012, 11:38 PM
#70
Melting Slicks
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Lets not forget the final price of that 2013 gt500 with all the options. $67,000 according to the ford website. And thats to get the car to compete with the zl1. My thought is the base wont be above 500hp. Lets be real here, its the base model. 500hp is alot for the base. I cant speak for everyone, but $67,000 for a drag car is to much. And the damn thing wont handle like a zl1 let alone a base c7. Hell that gt500 is going to outrun a zo6 on the 1/4 according to motortrend. Who cares? At least the $67,000 gets you something. LolQUOTE=gatti-man;1580965089]Anyone else concerned about the c7 potential power output now that the gt500 has 600rwhp? Its a 55k msrp car that sure is a pig but has imo a better interior and is faster than a gs/c6 in the straight line. I know the corvette isnt a drag car but lets be real day to day straight line acceleration is what we usually get atleat here in texas. When i first heard the c7 will have a smaller motor and put out a marginal bump in power i wasnt concerned but now that the gt500 is directly competing and exceeding the c6 i sure hope chevy gives it a minimum of 540-570hp and gives us a cf driveshaft like the gt500 has.
the gt500 stock is a better street car and imo a better car in general than the zl1. You can add the track pack for far less than 67k too but we are just splitting hairs here.
06-02-2012, 11:39 PM
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How many times do we need to go over this topic? http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...013-gt500.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...013-gt500.html
06-02-2012, 11:55 PM
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Similar msrp similar buyers. People cross shop them all the time. Just saw a thread in the z06 forum where people were talking about moving from their zo6 to the gt500. I dont know why thats hard to grasp for some of you. On this forum and gt500 forums buyers talk about both cars.
However you are correct the gt500 shouldnt compete with the c7 which is why i made this thread.
However you are correct the gt500 shouldnt compete with the c7 which is why i made this thread.
Does that mean GM should now worry about pools. Should we get on here and compare and contrast swimming pools and Corvettes?
06-02-2012, 11:57 PM
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I honestly couldn't care less if the Mustang turns out to be "faster". Street racing can be high risk, so I stay away from doing that. And on the track it's very much about the driver. Besides, who cares if one car is faster than another on the track (road course)? It's not like you're racing for money, trophy's, or pinks. If the Mustang ends up being faster and that bothers you for some reason, then buy the Mustang.
There is a lot more to a car than merely the objective numbers (or "bragging rights").
There is a lot more to a car than merely the objective numbers (or "bragging rights").
06-03-2012, 12:01 AM
#74
Melting Slicks
No, not in only a mile, but all out top speed can be (and has been) over 190mph in a manual transmissioned C6 LS3 coupe in the right conditions.
Probably still well over 180mph in even just average conditions.
No, was not meaning Z06 as that one is MUCH faster (10.9@128+mph bone stock and nearly 200mph bone stock). Others have gone 11.0s and 11.1s at over 127mph so it's not an isolated case.
The quickest 1/4 mile time for a bone stock C6 LS3 is the aforementioned 11.71@119.94mph (I was there that day) with others having gone high 11.7s and 11.8s as well.
I'm actually a little shocked/confused that so many fellow Corvette owners/enthusiasts are so uninformed about what these cars are truly capable of.
Probably still well over 180mph in even just average conditions.
No, was not meaning Z06 as that one is MUCH faster (10.9@128+mph bone stock and nearly 200mph bone stock). Others have gone 11.0s and 11.1s at over 127mph so it's not an isolated case.
The quickest 1/4 mile time for a bone stock C6 LS3 is the aforementioned 11.71@119.94mph (I was there that day) with others having gone high 11.7s and 11.8s as well.
I'm actually a little shocked/confused that so many fellow Corvette owners/enthusiasts are so uninformed about what these cars are truly capable of.
The link I put in showed the GT doing 196 at very high elevation on the mile straight away in TX so at lower elevations its a 200 mph car. I really thought the base C6 only topped out at 160 without mods. I need to find that road in mexico and test it out for myself.
06-03-2012, 12:02 AM
#75
Melting Slicks
Corvettes and swimming pools have similar prices. I am sure some people have made the decision between buying a pool and buying a Corvette.They are both recreational enviroments.
Does that mean GM should now worry about pools. Should we get on here and compare and contrast swimming pools and Corvettes?
Does that mean GM should now worry about pools. Should we get on here and compare and contrast swimming pools and Corvettes?
06-03-2012, 12:12 AM
#76
Le Mans Master
I'm having trouble reconciling these two quotes.
If there was nothing better pre 2013 gt500, what are your several options? Are they all used? Or are you considering cars that aren't as good?
GM isn't the least bit concerned about C7 competing with used cars. So if GT500 is the only threat, it's not a compelling argument for GM dipping into its horsepower reserve, especially not in the first couple of years when C7 demand should be strong and when GM wants to brag about technology, not raw power. GM is still under intense scrutiny, and a Corvette that delivers power and amazing fuel efficiency is a better corporate image-polisher.
But hey, maybe they really can deliver 500hp and 20mpg city / 30mpg highway.
.Jinx
Stock for stock the c6 offered great bang for the buck in a straight line. Who was better for the price pre 2013 gt500?
No im looking at several options.
GM isn't the least bit concerned about C7 competing with used cars. So if GT500 is the only threat, it's not a compelling argument for GM dipping into its horsepower reserve, especially not in the first couple of years when C7 demand should be strong and when GM wants to brag about technology, not raw power. GM is still under intense scrutiny, and a Corvette that delivers power and amazing fuel efficiency is a better corporate image-polisher.
But hey, maybe they really can deliver 500hp and 20mpg city / 30mpg highway.
.Jinx
06-03-2012, 12:17 AM
#77
Le Mans Master
I decided I would take their word for it.
.Jinx
06-03-2012, 01:11 AM
#78
The Ford GT was 5.4L and the new GT500 is 5.8L as well, though both are aluminum (at the time that the GT came out the GT500 still had it's old iron block of course).That has NOT been confirmed yet.
There might not even be a GT500 during the first model year of the next generation Mustang.
06-03-2012, 01:43 AM
#79
Burning Brakes
If the new GT 500 weighs about what the old one weighed, it will be putting down about 300HP/ton, which is pretty much bang on what you get from a C6 Z06. Now, until they upgrade the handling, the Corvette probably will still have the edge. I remember being concerned when Top Gear, of all people, said it was borderline irresponsible to use the older GT 500 on the street because its handling was so ****-poor (and this is coming from a guy who owns one of the notoriously hard to handle AMG Black Series Mercs) that any hint of rain would send it up a tree.
I'd be happier to see the Corvette breaking into the very high 2,000's in the weight range by going with lighter seats and a lighter, but similarly powered engine.
I'd be happier to see the Corvette breaking into the very high 2,000's in the weight range by going with lighter seats and a lighter, but similarly powered engine.
06-03-2012, 01:47 AM
#80
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And the info I'm referring to is readily available right in the C6 Tech and Performance section.
Here's the top 10 bone stock base Corvette LS3 1/4 mile times:
Showroom Stock LS3 (2008 - ????)
11.718 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2586)
11.806 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, NPP - (3478)
11.974 @ 116.98 - Proney - 08 M6 Z51, NPP - (4652)
12.058 @ 122.05 - AndrewZPSU - 10 A6 NPP - (5051)
12.100 @ 115.19 - Odin - 09 A6 2.73 npp - (4325)
12.102 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3561)
12.127 @ 116.59 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (4278)
12.159 @ 115.59 - Old Goat - 09 A6 2.73 - (3708)
12.167 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2740)
12.186 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 M6 Z51 - (2686)
There are one or two others that went high 11s but never got on the list I believe.
It even now says 190mph right in Chevrolet's own sales literature:http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-sports-car/
And back in late 2004 when the C6 first came out one of the major magazines (Car & Driver I believe?) tested a stock manual LS2 Corvette and after folding in the mirrors got it to 191mph. Others ran their test cars to 186mph.
And that was the 400hp LS2 engine.
Now add 30+hp (LS3).
In the right air and with a long enough track, a stock manual LS3 Corvette should easily be able to exceed 190+mph...I'd bet that even the automatic could hit 185+.
