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Old 05-15-2012, 07:14 PM
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Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight.

Zr1 model gets 700hp with a 6.2l gen v supercharged with a 2900 curb weight.

Both get outstanding seats and fit and finish.

Keep prices relatively close to c6.

Beating to a dead horse I know but the waiting is killing all of us.

So with that said, let the bickering begin.
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Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar
Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight. No.

Zr1 model gets 700hp with a 6.2l gen v supercharged with a 2900 curb weight. No.

Both get outstanding seats and fit and finish. We'll see in seven months.

Keep prices relatively close to c6. We'll see in seven months.

Beating to a dead horse I know but the waiting is killing all of us.

So with that said, let the bickering begin.
Slow day today my friend?
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Slow day today my friend?
You could say that my friend.
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Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar
Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight.
They won't take that much weight out of it. They'll crow mightily about getting it below 3100lb, and we'll be thankful the car doesn't cost too much.

And the engine's story will be efficiency, not horsepower. Remember, a version of this goes into pickups where power is already adequate and fuel economy is a huge deal. And this also goes into the next smaller-boned Camaro (and if we're very very lucky, the ATS-V). And GM is loathe to accelerate a horsepower war when they know they'll be subject to much greater scrutiny over fuel economy matters than any other carmaker doing business here. I think you're 50hp high. The good news is Corvette should hit 30mpg highway and 18 city.

Zr1 model gets 700hp with a 6.2l gen v supercharged with a 2900 curb weight.
Add a hundred pounds. And that's being aggressive. Remember, the present ZR1 is heavier than the base coupe (and even the Grand Sport), despite having Z06's more exotic chassis. Supercharger, larger diameter exhaust, bigger wheels, tires, and brakes, presumedly wider bodywork... assume the whole body's done in mass-producible carbon fiber and you're still pushing it at 3000lb.

Both get outstanding seats and fit and finish.
You misspelled competitive.

Keep prices relatively close to c6.
I predict the base C7 will pick up where the C6 GS leaves off, which is effectively a price hike. GM really likes the way the GrandSport bumped up the average transaction price.

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Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar

Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight. Ferrari 458 Territory

Zr1 model gets 700hp with a 6.2l gen v supercharged with a 2900 curb weight. Ferrari Enzo replacement territory

Both get outstanding seats and fit and finish. Can you spell GM

Keep prices relatively close to c6. Exactly why the 3 above won't happen

Beating to a dead horse I know but the waiting is killing all of us. The horse is long dead - I'm not joining the horse

So with that said, let the bickering begin.
Why bother
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Originally Posted by michaelinmech
Why bother
Well, I read your first reply to jp23
"Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight. Ferrari 458 Territory"
and quit reading.

You are a little off on your weight comment. The 458 coupe has a gross weight of 3,935 pounds amigo.
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The Internet says the 458's curb weight is 3274 lbs and horsepower over 560. A 500hp Corvette would have to weigh just 2900 lbs to match it; a 3000 lb Corvette would need 515hp.
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I want the C7 to be at or lighter than 3,000 lbs (curb weight), but I seriously doubt it'll happen.

Originally Posted by jackhall99
Well, I read your first reply to jp23
"Coupe model gets 500hp with a 6.2l gen v n/a with a 3000lbs curb weight. Ferrari 458 Territory"
and quit reading.

You are a little off on your weight comment. The 458 coupe has a gross weight of 3,935 pounds amigo.
That's surprising. I thought the 458's curb weight was much less than that.
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Originally Posted by Jinx
The Internet says the 458's curb weight is 3274 lbs and horsepower over 560. A 500hp Corvette would have to weigh just 2900 lbs to match it; a 3000 lb Corvette would need 515hp.
Jinx, here is a C&D review of the 2010 that states a curb weight of 3,450 pounds.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ression-page-2

The weight I cited was gross weight.
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Originally Posted by vant
I want the C7 to be at or lighter than 3,000 lbs (curb weight), but I seriously doubt it'll happen.



That's surprising. I thought the 458's curb weight was much less than that.
vant, the curb weight of the 458 is 3,450. Well, some sources vary from Car & Driver, but the car is no flyweight. Hitting 3,000 or 3,100 pounds is a pipe-dream.
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Originally Posted by Jinx
They won't take that much weight out of it. They'll crow mightily about getting it below 3100lb, and we'll be thankful the car doesn't cost too much.

And the engine's story will be efficiency, not horsepower. Remember, a version of this goes into pickups where power is already adequate and fuel economy is a huge deal. And this also goes into the next smaller-boned Camaro (and if we're very very lucky, the ATS-V). And GM is loathe to accelerate a horsepower war when they know they'll be subject to much greater scrutiny over fuel economy matters than any other carmaker doing business here. I think you're 50hp high. The good news is Corvette should hit 30mpg highway and 18 city.



Add a hundred pounds. And that's being aggressive. Remember, the present ZR1 is heavier than the base coupe (and even the Grand Sport), despite having Z06's more exotic chassis. Supercharger, larger diameter exhaust, bigger wheels, tires, and brakes, presumedly wider bodywork... assume the whole body's done in mass-producible carbon fiber and you're still pushing it at 3000lb.

You misspelled competitive.

I predict the base C7 will pick up where the C6 GS leaves off, which is effectively a price hike. GM really likes the way the GrandSport bumped up the average transaction price..Jinx
That sir, is what will happen. Take it to the bank.
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Originally Posted by michaelinmech
Why bother
Sorry amigo. I mixed apples and oranges (curb vs gross weights). The 458 is still no flyweight.
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700 hp and under 3000lbs...yea right...I guess it will come with drag radials stock?
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The Base Vette isn't going to see 500HP. Not in this generation at least. Keep in mind people returned the C6 Z06 in the first couple months of ownership when they realized it was too much power for them. The base Corvette is marketed to women and guys that don't care about going super fast, so don't expect a 500HP base Corvette. 450HP is already pushing what most people can actually handle in a sports car that weighs as little as it does already. I let my friend drive my near-stock C5 Z06 and he said that it was already more power than he'd want, and he loves driving. He THOUGHT he'd want that much power, but after letting him push the gas to the floor, he's decided against it. He's going to buy a new STI instead. (Less power, more traction... Lame and boring in other words).

Anyway, I don't think that IF there is a C7 ZR1 that even it will have 700HP. Even the 2013 Viper has 640HP (just enough power to say they have more than the C6 ZR1) and we already know that few people that would actually buy either of those cars can actually handle that much power.

I firmly believe we'll see a lower-power performance-based hybrid Corvette before we see a factory 700HP Corvette.

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