Go Back   Corvette Forum > C7 Corvette > C7 General Discussion
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Register Albums Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ
Search
C7 General Discussion
General C7 Corvette Discussion not covered in Tech Sponsored by
Kerbeck Corvettes

Welcome to Corvetteforum.com!
Welcome to Corvetteforum.com.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join Corvetteforum.com today!


Corvette Store
 
 
C6 Parts & Accessories
C5 Parts & Accessories
Wheels & Tires
Sponsored Ads
 
 
Vendor Directory
  
Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-03-2012, 02:50 PM   #1
elegant
CF Senior Member

 
Member Since: Dec 2003
Default Perhaps Or Probably: No C7 Z06?

With current Z sales being poor (500+ for each the Z06 and ZR1 in 2011), and since most of the ZR1's attributes (except its motor) are available as an option on the Z06, might the C7 Corvette not include a Z06. If so, Corvette will still have a coupe, a convertible and a ZR1 "line" and, perhaps again a separately bodied Grand Sport option?

This thinking is based on the 2012 ZL1 Camaro having 580 HP when it comes out in a couple of months and the GT 500 Shelby Mustang will have 650 when it arrives in this summer. Compound that with an expected 660 HP for the 2013 Viper. Thus, where would a 505 HP or even a 535 HP C7 Z06 Z06 fit in? Might the C7 ZR1 boost its supercharging compression and offer 675+ HP and retain its King of the Hill status?

Based on all the above, I am thinking the Z06 might not be part of C7 plans....
elegant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2012, 03:05 PM   #2
Jp23rockstar
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Jul 2011
john_peterson23 rocklegend23
Default

Well what we do know is that there were two kinds of corvettes being tested. We really don't know anything else. My guess is one is the base model and one is the high performance model as far names go is up in the air. I hope that the base numbers put up better numbers than the camaro zl1, because the vette is suppose to be the top dog at chevy. I will say that the camaro zl1 is terrific car. I just prefer the vette instead of the camaro zl1.
Jp23rockstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2012, 03:10 PM   #3
BMWDAD
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Sep 2010
Location: Long Island NY
Default

Reading the reviews on the ZL1, no one has said it, but with the mag suspension, it is a M3 killer.
BMWDAD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2012, 03:17 PM   #4
Jp23rockstar
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Jul 2011
john_peterson23 rocklegend23
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWDAD View Post
Reading the reviews on the ZL1, no one has said it, but with the mag suspension, it is a M3 killer.
One guy was even saying it was as good as a porsche 911, I forget what magazine said it, it was online, but he did say like you that with the magnetic ride control, it's an awesome car
Jp23rockstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2012, 06:10 PM   #5
MitchAlsup
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Aug 2000
Location: Austin Texas
Default

There will be a Halo Car in the Vette lineup. What it is is only speculation right now.
MitchAlsup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 04:29 AM   #6
LS1LT1
CF Senior Member
 
LS1LT1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2001
Location: Springfield, NJ Raceway Park & Atco Raceway
Send a message via AIM to LS1LT1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elegant View Post
With current Z sales being poor (500+ for each the Z06 and ZR1 in 2011), and since most of the ZR1's attributes (except its motor) are available as an option on the Z06, might the C7 Corvette not include a Z06. If so, Corvette will still have a coupe, a convertible and a ZR1 "line" and, perhaps again a separately bodied Grand Sport option?

This thinking is based on the 2012 ZL1 Camaro having 580 HP when it comes out in a couple of months and the GT 500 Shelby Mustang will have 650 when it arrives in this summer. Compound that with an expected 660 HP for the 2013 Viper. Thus, where would a 505 HP or even a 535 HP C7 Z06 Z06 fit in? Might the C7 ZR1 boost its supercharging compression and offer 675+ HP and retain its King of the Hill status?

Based on all the above, I am thinking the Z06 might not be part of C7 plans....
I might have to agree with you.
I also don't think the Z06 will find itself within the C7's line up unfortunately.
I think we'll see something along the lines of a 475hp base car with perhaps a wide body/big brakes/big tires Grand Sport type of option package...and then a 650hp-675hp supercharged (or turbocharged?) ZR1 model.
But anything is possible at this point.
LS1LT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 05:04 AM   #7
JustinStrife
CF Senior Member

 
JustinStrife's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2006
Location: Lake Havasu AZ
Justinstrife justinstrife unholy z06
Send a message via AIM to JustinStrife Send a message via MSN to JustinStrife Send a message via Yahoo to JustinStrife
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
One guy was even saying it was as good as a porsche 911, I forget what magazine said it, it was online, but he did say like you that with the magnetic ride control, it's an awesome car
An awesome car that's ugly as sin and still a 2 ton boat.

The Z06 was always marketed more towards the racer. The ZR1 is not setup for long term track use, and the supercharger becomes a handicap the more laps you run. Once GM came out with the Z07 package, the advantage that the ZR1 had over the Z06, has all but evaporated.

I still think there'll be a Z06, it just won't have the 427... Maybe a 6.2liter engine of some variety if the base gets the 5.5 liter I've been hearing about.
JustinStrife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 08:53 AM   #8
redvette77
CF Senior Member

 
redvette77's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2010
silverado2009 Michael_Ellis_ redvette77
Send a message via MSN to redvette77 Send a message via Skype™ to redvette77
Default

-----

Last edited by redvette77; 02-04-2012 at 08:56 AM. Reason: Post meant for different thread.
redvette77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 01:10 PM   #9
elegant
CF Senior Member

 
Member Since: Dec 2003
Default

JustinStrife, I hadn't thought about your suggestion, but it sure worthy of further thought, i.e., have a Z06 with the ability to option is up to where the ZR1 was, but no C7 ZR 1. As said above, we shall see.
elegant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 02:28 PM   #10
dfarese
CF Senior Member

 
Member Since: Feb 2011
Location: Jensen Beach Florida
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
Well what we do know is that there were two kinds of corvettes being tested. We really don't know anything else. My guess is one is the base model and one is the high performance model as far names go is up in the air. I hope that the base numbers put up better numbers than the camaro zl1, because the vette is suppose to be the top dog at chevy. I will say that the camaro zl1 is terrific car. I just prefer the vette instead of the camaro zl1.
I'm thinking the two models where for testing their two transmissions, the Paddle shift and their Manual stick. Although it seems like both models where running wider tires, like on the GS and up, I could be wrong, what do you think?
dfarese is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 02:41 PM   #11
b4i4getit
CF Senior Member
 
b4i4getit's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Location: Toronto Ontario Canada
Default

The Z06 name has a long history. I think the Z06 and ZR1 will still be there for the C7 but maybe not in the first year of production.
b4i4getit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 05:58 PM   #12
PaulB
CF Senior Member
 
PaulB's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2002
Location: West Des Moines Ia
Default

I am guessing that at the start of the C7 Chevrolet will not give us many options. The next year more and the next year more again. I base my thinking on how they have done the C5 and the C6 first years.
PaulB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 06:48 PM   #13
elegant
CF Senior Member

 
Member Since: Dec 2003
Default

When the C5 was introduced, it came off a real good year of C4 sales (21,500 units). Same thing when the C6 came out, it too was based on real good last year C5 sales (also 21,000+ units). The total production for the 2011 Corvette (all "lines/models") was less than 12,000 units, and 2012 sales will not reach 10,000 units, especially since the production run is only going to be 9 months. GM needs to generate real good profits early on in the C7 sales period in order to generate capital to develop a C8.

These things might help GM to bring out, at least, both the coupe and the convertible models in year one (2014 MY). Don't disagree that the Z model (or model) will not come out until at least 2015.
elegant is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 09:24 PM   #14
Latterlon
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Sep 2005
Location: Lexington KY
Default

I fear the Z06 might be a goner, due to sales, the increase of boosting engines for more power/efficiency and the fact that the C6.R is now based on the ZR1 (if only for marketing). I'd be fine with a base C7, a lower volume ZR1 with turbos or a blower, mag suspension, etc., and an even lower production Z06 that's more like a Viper ACR or GT3RS.

The C6 Z06 has gotten better over the years, but also heavier. I think to keep the track-day capabilities and to set it apart from the other models, it should be very light (under 3,000lbs), have coilovers, N/A engine, lightweight seats, CC brakes, radio delete options, etc.

As of now I believe the Z06 has become too similar to the ZR1 from cannibalizing its parts.
Latterlon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 10:27 PM   #15
1RedVettFor2
CF Member

 
1RedVettFor2's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2011
Location: near Saint Louis Missouri
Default

I'm thinking we may see a detuned version of the ZR1 motor in the C7 base. A lot of times GM likes to use current modles features as a spring board for the next generation. I say detuned because they will surely use weight savings as a perfofmance enhancement and thus be able to in theory beat the new shelby. I think the ZR if they make it will have to hit 675 HP to be able to keep up with the rest of the super cars.....maybe more. It seems the tradition has been to beat the previous generations top dog.....IDK just thinkin and hoping for something great!!!
1RedVettFor2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 10:37 PM   #16
TBIRD57
CF Senior Member
 
TBIRD57's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Default cadillac cts-v

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jp23rockstar View Post
One guy was even saying it was as good as a porsche 911, I forget what magazine said it, it was online, but he did say like you that with the magnetic ride control, it's an awesome car
is already a m3 killer.....
TBIRD57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 10:46 PM   #17
Jinx
CF Senior Member

 
Jinx's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2000
Location: Oakland, CA
Default

If the base C7 gets an aluminum frame, then what does the high-end variant look like?

Maybe they put Z06 on the shelf and just elevate GrandSport with less-exotic forced induction and not so much carbon fiber as the next ZR1.

But a direct-injected smallblock of, say, 396 cubic inches, might be a decent replacement for the LS7...

.Jinx
Jinx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2012, 11:18 PM   #18
Racer X
CF Senior Member
 
Racer X's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2000
Location: North Dallas 40 TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinx View Post
If the base C7 gets an aluminum frame, then what does the high-end variant look like?

Maybe they put Z06 on the shelf and just elevate GrandSport with less-exotic forced induction and not so much carbon fiber as the next ZR1.

But a direct-injected smallblock of, say, 396 cubic inches, might be a decent replacement for the LS7...

.Jinx
Titanium Frame

Z06 with DI 7 liter at ~590 HP with variable timing or lift- in car adjustable ride height - medium body

ZR1 DI 6.2 L Twin Turbo ~750 HP - active aero and suspension - wicked wide body
Racer X is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2012, 12:26 AM   #19
Z06Doc
CF Senior Member
 
Z06Doc's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Weston Florida
Default

I sincerely hope the Z06 niche in Corvette's line-up is not eliminated - I've owned two (2001 and 2006) models and I driven nothing else since the its intro. However, the styling is getting a bit stale (especially lacking in external LED lighting and interior bling) and I'm ready for something fresh and contemporary. I'm hoping the C7 takes Corvette styling to new levels. And although I've always enjoyed the 6-speed manual, an all-wheel drive Z would be nice to tap into all that un-used power, maybe even (God forbid) with a paddle shifter. Slumping Vette sales suggest perhaps other buyers feel much the same and if a fully optioned 2012 Z06 exceeds $100k, GM will need to do more than just add HP. Otherwise the entire Vette line-up may be doomed. I sure hope not.
Z06Doc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2012, 01:10 AM   #20
range96
CF Senior Member
 
Member Since: Jul 2010
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racer X View Post
Titanium Frame

Z06 with DI 7 liter at ~590 HP with variable timing or lift- in car adjustable ride height - medium body

ZR1 DI 6.2 L Twin Turbo ~750 HP - active aero and suspension - wicked wide body
You forgot the CF body.
range96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2012, 01:10 AM
 
Go Back   Corvette Forum > C7 Corvette > C7 General Discussion
Reload this Page Perhaps Or Probably: No C7 Z06?
 
 
 
Reply

Tags
c7, camaro, corvette, direct, injection, kerbeck, wwwc7corvettez06com, year, z06, zl1, zo6, zr1


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Click for Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:00 AM.


Emails & Password Backup

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2