goatts

Per GM, the C7 to arrive in 2013 will have a smaller Gen 5 V8. Probably 5.5 liters. Same hp with higher compression and VVT. Better gas mileage. Now is that exciting or what?

A green Corvette!

Great gas mileage has always been the main selling point of the vette.

Thanks Obama! This is a direct result of the new CAFE standards Obama rammed down our throats.

CH 3 NO 2

Well at least that 5.5L is a de stroked 427! You know what that means

McGirk94LT1

Guy get over the obama thing every point ive seen you make has ranged from unrelated to downright false. This is a vette forum not McCain forum...

And actually yes gas mileage has been a BIG deal in the modern vette from the start. Till the zr1 no vette has paid a gas guzzler tax and they do in fact advertise that, name any car even close to the vettes caliber that can say that. Heck they even mentioned the ZR1's (somewhat good) gas mileage in its press release. You think the switch to a six speed over the 4+3 trans was done strictly(not really at all actually) for performance? You prefer 3 speeds I see?

Just cause it has the same hp doenst mean itll be an 08 vette, it will outperform it no matter how small the margin if its as light as they are aiming for. Still a v8, still a pusrod, still larger then 95% of engines currently produced so whats your point?

CH 3 NO 2

WOW!! A Socialist Vette fan? Quite a contradiction in terms huh??
I guess you see something new everyday. BTW, 4+3 was a 4 speed with 3 overdrives. The new transmissions ONLY have 2! And as for gas mileage, yes GM tries to advertise to many types of people... EVEN yuppies.

Racer X

The 4+3 did not have 3 overdrive ratios. Only 3rd and 4th with the overdrive ratios were actually overdrive ratios.

1st 2.88
2nd 1.91
3rd 1.33
2nd + OVD 1.28
4th 1.00
3rd + OVD 0.89
4th + OVD 0.67
final drive 3.07 or 3.31


1990 6 speed was

1st 2.68
2nd 1.80
3rd 1.29
4th 1.00
5th 0.75
6th 0.5

Final drive 3.33

CH 3 NO 2

Second gear DID still have an overdrive, I didn't say it was an ACTUAL overdrive
BUT as long as you admit it was a 4 speed and not a 3 speed like YOU said it was....then Im fine with that

Racer X

I will admit no such thing... McGirk said it, not me

It was effectively a 7 speed!

goatts

People don't buy vettes because they want a car that gets high mileage. That was not even at the bottom of my list. It was not on my list at all. If Zora was still Chief Engineer he would be pushing the performance envelope. That's what vette owners want (except maybe for you).

Do you think any of this stuff is market driven? No it's government driven, CAFE standards driven. There should be no CAFE standards. I guess you're excited about this Mr Liberal but it makes me sad.

I can see the magazine covers now, "New Vette gets 35mpg!!!". Wow!!

Fuel economy was achieved with CAGS which was grudgingly added by the design team and was the first thing I removed on my C6 and on my Z.

You ask if I prefer 3 speeds. What I prefer is that the design team build a car that will run with the new Porsche GT2 at one quarter of the price. Do you know what a GT2 is? Do you even care?

iwanavette

Obama blows ***, but that's not the entire reason for this, not too mention this country has seen similar times and events in the past, especially in the 70s with the gas crisis. As the saying goes history repeats itself.

With that said, it's alright with me, I plan to get a c5 Z shortly, I don't want the C7 being that much more powerful or advanced than the C6, would make my **** even look that much older.

Jinx

goatts: welcome to four months ago. And really, Obama? That song is played out, and it doesn't belong here in the first place. Seriously, knock it off.

Efficiency is important. A properly-done V8 of moderately smaller displacement should weigh a little less and be a little easier to package, and improved fuel economy means the fuel load can weigh less and be a little easier to package, too. And we're at a point in engine development when that doesn't have to mean a sacrifice in power for the base Corvette or the pickup trucks that justify the Corvette's existence.

Seems like a win/win to me.

Consider also that GM is not in a hurry to ratchet up the performance of the base Corvette. Remember when C6 debuted with only 400 horsepower? A lot of folks expected 425 or more. GM needs wiggle room in that envelope, and they need the car to remain relevant over its product lifecycle, whether gas jumps over $5 a gallon or Nissan and Hyundai get uppity and come knocking on 450hp.

GM also needs their pickup truck powerplant right-sizeable so they're not killed by the next spike in gas prices.

Honestly, assuming we can keep the insurance companies and their safety-dancing bureaucrats on a leash, is a 500+ horsepower half-ton a realistic volume product over the next ten years? Because that's what a next-generation 6.2L smallblock would be. If they didn't shrink it in proportion to the significant efficiency leaps being made, they could be pushing it towards extinction.

.Jinx

McGirk94LT1

Lets watch as you get destroyed.


You bought your car. Congrats on that. How about you stop and realize YOU dont tell people why they buy there vette. You have no impact in the Vette community as a whole and no impact on the design team. Neither do I. You really want it to get worse gas mileage? You want a three speed to save weight because you dont care about gas(yes i know the 4+3 was a 4 speed+ 3 "overdrives")? Dont dance around the question just anser that.

Is it market driven? Well according to how you think Obama wants evey car to have .6 liter engines. Then why does the vette, gt500, let alone the viper exsist? Could it be cause people want to buy them and chevy/dodge/ford want to make some money? Sounds market driven to me. People want to buy a product and the big three made it. But the viper is dead now cause of that? Actually the v10 meets emmisions till 2016 I believe(dont quote me on year). And the gas mileage of the viper never really mattered as dodge can balance it out with the tons of commuter cars they have, and with a new v6 to compete with ford and chevy the numbers got another boost. Fact is gas is not infinite so if the technology now exsist to get performance, while getting better gas mileage why wouldnt you, please give one LOGICAL answer. Or is it because your one of those guys that wants a 9 liter twin turbo? You realize evenetually there is too much power for the street. People start dying even worse then. And to perform at 800hp+ level(other then top speed) your gonna need AWD, it is inevitable. And im sure your an opponent of that. Or do you have some conspiricy theory as to how Obama is holding billions of gallons of refined gas somewhere lol? You hate converters too? I for one like breathing air. And you throw that liberal term around so easily yet you have no idea. You define and restrict yourself by that. I dont let myself be defined by one word, or one party. I use common sense to make choices. Not just IM A CONSERVATIVE THEREFOR IM BETTER RAAAAAWR. You have ot make your choices now because you defined yourself as that and nothing more. If a liberal said they think pie is good, im sure youd disagree, just to argue.

Right, so they put CAGS in and got the numbers. It sure hurts you right? I mean that thing must cut 400hp off the engine. Oh wait, how long did it take for you to deal with getting rid of it? It doesnt hurt you, so why are you complaining. Cause you like attention?

It a 3100lb 440hp car(est) thatll cost around $55,000. That wont keep up with the market? To oversimplify it just look for cars with the same power to weight ratio. Then cut that list down to cars within $10,000 of it. Im sure you'd be real interested in the(extremly short) list. Then you think next Z whatever wont compete with anything? Lets just estimate 630hp 620lb ft 2900lbs. Try comparing that list. Theres a vette for everyone, thats why there are six models now. Is the ls3 coupe junk? YOU want it to beat the GT2. Not everyone does. For that the Z(or Z's) will be there. Your really worried about the new vette not competeing with other cars? When has a modern vette dropped behind the competition with a new generation? Ah yes you must be refering to when the 05 came out and it couldnt compete with the 04 Enzo?!?

Anything else you wanna complain about(non political of course)?

CH 3 NO 2

Money can buy you a lot of things, house, shoes, a Corvette....but it obviously cannot buy you brains. I don't think anyone is complaining about the new 5.5L V8's (because they are just de stroked versions of the engine the Zo6 has now, so the "small" factor can be reversed)
I think what a lot of people are worried about (and rightfully so) is that narrow minded liberals fail to realize that Obama is NOT a liberal and is in fact a Socialist! When Hugo Chavez was elected in Venezuela only 3% of the electors believed Chavez to be a Communist, currently 32% of Americans believe Obama to be a Socialist! The fact that you would even make a comment saying If Obama wants .6L engines, why are their still Corvettes and GT500's is VERRY disturbing to true Americans and people who have fought and served for this great country fearing for our children's future! Do not forget Rome was once a republic like America until Rome wanted CHANGE!!!!!!!!
And no I am not a republican, just a concerned American.

goatts

I guess you're trying to destroy me with hot air. Almost.

I would like to see GM go the direction of Ferrari's 458. Look at the engine on this thing. 560hp from a 275 cu inch V8. 9000rpm. Much effort was put into friction reduction and breathing. It has DFI. 1/4 mile in 11.5. Instead they're worried about Obama's CAFE standards. AND THEY ARE OBAMA'S!

You don't care about beating GT2? Then you must have a garage queen. Maybe they'll make a V6 vette for you garage queenies.

You want good mileage, get a Prius.

goatts

You must work for Obama (or GM) bringing pickup trucks into a vette discussion.

Guess you haven't noticed but the new Mustang now has more hp then the C6 LS2. And they are going to keep it the same?

I don't think you and Zora would have seen eye to eye on much. As far as hp, it has steadily increased since the last time Obama intervened back in the 1970's with the emissions crap. So 475hp would be a good number.

McGirk94LT1

Please enlighten me. As I'm not a true American I guess I need an education from one.
Keep in mind amongst all your assuming, that yes a lot of people are throwing fits simply because its a smaller engine. Heck some suggestions for the c7 are to meet or surpass the viper's displacement... just to say they did.

GARYFINN

You need to get over O6ama everybody else has !!

McGirk94LT1

That's why they have had the ls3. Arguement fail. Thanks for playing.

Oh and to further discredit you

A. You ignored his valid argument about a form of this engine going into trucks, cause it will.
B. The ferrari is neat. And so is the gt2. So is the gt3 rs. But unless you'ge been living in a cave they made this thing called a zr1, you should look it up.(then again you don't know about the ls3 so guess you wouldn't know about the ls9 or lsa). You should also look at why it was made. You are super concerned with performance, as am i. So why do you have a z06? All you could afford? Then just how much do you think a vette will cost that surpasses the zr1?

C. I drive my car 365. That includes winters in south east pa. Can you say the same?

goatts

Works for me!

goatts

Well hells bells. You know what I think? I think you and Jinx are one and the same...

Spectrel

At first I was angered by the thought of a smaller displacement V8 for the next gen, but now I just don't care. Smaller displacement engines from GM are inevitable, so we all should just start warming up to them. Who ever is worried about HP just needs to look at the 2011 Z28 Camaro which has been confirmed. The existence of a 500+ hp Camaro all but guarantees a 500+ hp Corvette whether that's the base model or not is another question. When's the last time a regular production Camaro out powered a Corvette? At the end of the day we'll have a faster more fuel efficient Corvette , what's wrong with that?

The modding industry has no CAFE standards, so if you don't like what you see just change it. I for one am beginning to get excited for the C7, I don't think GM will disappoint.