Styling aside, what would you like to see in the C7?
My biggest wish would be a rear weight bias. As much as is practicable in a front engine rear drive car. It seems to me that with as much power as these cars are putting down, additional weight on the rears would be of great benefit under acceleration. It would also help by taking some of the weight transfer from the fronts under braking.
Both the Viper and the Aston Martin v8 Vantage sport 49F/51R which is a step in the right direction. The viper does this with a v10 and front mounted trans, the Aston with a V8 and rear mounted trans. I would love to see as much as 46F/54R rear, though that would likely be difficult to pull off.
High power to mass ratio, 2,700 pounds mass, 500 hp, 48% F to 52% R mass distribution, cabin as big as todays and same storage space, a little bolder styling, noticable difference between std coupe & Conv vs ZO7 and super car version. Lots of low end torque , double clutch trans w/ capability to do manual & auto w/ same car. High fuel efficiency hwy over 35 MPG. Range of 500 miles. Back to individual options list, less in packages. Base price of $50,000 or less for coupe. A base conv of $53,000. Option for carbon brakes, Z51. By model year 2012, God help Gm get through this.
Isn't the stated weight distribution empty? What is it with a person in it? Isn't that what matters? The car is not going anywhere without a driver (well, at least it shouldn't).
Less weight, electro/hydraulic/? shifted transmission with a 150ms shift time with a dual clutch setup.
Underbody tunnels it increase downforce with less drag than alternatives.
Less weight.
Lower drag.
How about an optional KERS?
Less weight. Even if that means slightly smaller.
Lighter seats with adjustable hip and side bolsters to accomodate thinner and wider drivers.
Less weight.
One or more really bold colors (bright orange, Black with a normally invisible glow in the dark Jake on the hood.... OK that might be a bit much)
Less weight.
Stop going with bigger and bigger wheels! Use big enough wheels to go over the now smaller brakes (due lower weight car). REDUCE UNSRUNG WEIGHT. These bigger wheels do not increase handling or improve the feel of the handling. Plus you need enough sidewall to drive the car on everyday streets without bending the rims.
-Lower and wider,big front and rear vent (no fog lights pls cause i dont see another super sport car have it).
-better interior with united leather color for the dash bord,steering wheels ,seats and carpet. u can make it an option !
-real Bose sound system (not like current junk system) with Ipod,usp, and Phone.
- small DOCH engne,with alot of sweet noise. (cause stock c6 engine sick and quite even with aftermarket exhaust not give u what u looking for from sport car).
-one project on the headlights for Low/high beam,(i hope they put the project on the corner of the light to mak the car look wider and more agrrasive) use some LED technology, and no amber fog lights pls
-Lower and wider,big front and rear vent (no fog lights pls cause i dont see another super sport car have it).
-better interior with united leather color for the dash bord,steering wheels ,seats and carpet. u can make it an option !
-real Bose sound system (not like current junk system) with Ipod,usp, and Phone.
- small DOCH engne,with alot of sweet noise. (cause stock c6 engine sick and quite even with aftermarket exhaust not give u what u looking for from sport car).
-one project on the headlights for Low/high beam,(i hope they put the project on the corner of the light to mak the car look wider and more agrrasive) use some LED technology, and no amber fog lights pls
I agree except for the DOHC engine. No complexity for the sake of complexity. It brings additional weight and loss of fuel mileage.
I agree except for the DOHC engine. No complexity for the sake of complexity. It brings additional weight and loss of fuel mileage.
who is concern in fuel mileage when he want buy sport car? i wanna enjoy in the car i dont care if i stay in gas staion
we need to DOHC small engine with loud sweet noise like real super sport car, not like the our crap C6!!
Belive or not i spent almost $4000 to make my car have real sport car sound high pitch screem like modern sport car sound with no luck! cause i have crap LS2 engine .
i believe this what the real super sport car like corvette must have it, i think the person that not like this kind of sound i believe corvette not his car!!! may be comaro!
who is concern in fuel mileage when he want buy sport car? i wanna enjoy in the car i dont care if i stay in gas staion
we need to DOHC small engine with loud sweet noise like real super sport car, not like the our crap C6!!
Belive or not i spent almost $4000 to make my car have real sport car sound high pitch screem like modern sport car sound with no luck! cause i have crap LS2 engine .
i believe this what the real super sport car like corvette must have it, i think the person that not like this kind of sound i believe corvette not his car!!! may be comaro!
If that's your definition of a sports car sound, then you are the one looking at the wrong car. There's no way they will ever get a big engine like an LS7 or LS9 to sound like a 4 liter, 9,000 rpm job. I for one would not want those engines. They are high maintenance, inefficient and no torque. That's why soooo many thousands of people prefer the Corvette as it is.
If that's your definition of a sports car sound, then you are the one looking at the wrong car. There's no way they will ever get a big engine like an LS7 or LS9 to sound like a 4 liter, 9,000 rpm job. I for one would not want those engines. They are high maintenance, inefficient and no torque. That's why soooo many thousands of people prefer the Corvette as it is.
I think we need to clear very important point!!
can i ask corvette which type of cars Possible to classify?
cause i believe the Engineers who manufacture The C6 engine Did not know what the type of corvette,if they know i believe they will not made very quiet engine for one of fastest/aggrasive cars on the world!
can i ask why it is very hard to see corvette out of usa? but u will find alot of different expensive sport cars?
i think GM now must think in More realistically,No more losses. they must think how they can bring new Customers , i believe they can do that if they know the type of each car and what must this type have!...etc
I think we need to clear very important point!!
can i ask corvette which type of cars Possible to classify?
cause i believe the Engineers who manufacture The C6 engine Did not know what the type of corvette,if they know i believe they will not made very quiet engine for one of fastest/aggrasive cars on the world!
can i ask why it is very hard to see corvette out of usa? but u will find alot of different expensive sport cars?
i think GM now must think in More realistically,No more losses. they must think how they can bring new Customers , i believe they can do that if they know the type of each car and what must this type have!...etc
It really has to do with tax laws in Europe some of which tax based on displacement.
We can make a high pitch sound by going to a 12 cylinder or 45 degree v-8 (I shudder to think of the NVH problems that would cause). Or go to a rotary engine.
Mileage matters because of changing fleet mileage averages.
G'day,
mo-shy, you have failed to grasp the basic simplicity of the LS series engines. DOHC IS NOT NEEDED!!!!!!! Think about the current engine. It is a single underhead camshaft engine, SUHC if you will. It has one timing chain that is so short it does not need a chain tensioner, therefore money saved. Without the need for OHC cylinder heads, the engine is quite small dimensionally for its capacity.
It has five main bearings on the camshaft and only 16 cams to operate the pushrods. There are only 16 valves, springs, retainers etc. And the most important one, it only has one cylinder head, that can be used on either side of the engine. Much cheaper to manufacture.
Now look at a DOHC engine. Two long timing chains that will stretch, therefore not one, but TWO tensioners needed. Therefore some friction generated where they rub, and friction is heat. Heat is fuel that is not used to push the piston down the bore, therefore it is fuel wasted.
Then look at the heads. You have to have a right and a left one because of the camshaft drive, which makes the engine more expensive. Then you have four camshafts with five bearings each, 20 bearings in all and all the friction that goes with it. Then there are 32 valves, springs, retainers etc. All of these generate friction which robs both fuel and power from the engine.
On a 19,000 rpm Formula 1 engine, sure, you need a DOHC set up as pushrods won't work at that speed, but not on a passenger car engine that rarely sees over 6,000 rpm. The reduced friction loads on the LS engines compared to ANY DOHC engine are what have made the LS engines the icons they are.
If you are still in doubt, just look at the 2009 Le Mans results: Corvettes (with pushrod engines) first and second in class. A broken gearbox stopped a 1-2-3 Corvette podium placing. A limping Aston Martin came third and a DOHC Lambo failed on the first lap. Apart from that, the Corvette came about 15th outright in a field of 55 entrants.
To conclude, General Motors has made the right decision to stick with pushrods and the results on both road and track speak for themselves.
like to see a 500 hp LS3, twin disk clutch, with a manu-mantic paddle shift 6 spd.
make the car overall smaller, more "tossable" with a target weight of 2700 lbs
if we can get the weight down, 450 HP would be enough.
if GM could do a camless engine, with computer controlled valves, that would be the time to do it. infinitely variable cam timing with very efficient valve angles (4 of them please) would eliminate the "inefficeint DOHC engine" problem you guys keep talking about
why not take two of the ecotec heads, design a compact displacement block with very strong internals, and make a new "indy" style engine.
I personally do like a very strong revving small displacement car as I favor a more exotic feel with a broad powerband.
I personally do like a very strong revving small displacement car as I favor a more exotic feel with a broad powerband.
I can't really think of an engine that has a broader power band than the LSx motors. 4500-5500 rpm with probably 80% of peak torque. What is it you want a buzzy 9000 rpm motor? That KILLS fuel efficiency.
Why is a small displacement motor exotic? High revs maybe, but as said above hurts fuel efficiency.
You do know a small block chevy will turn 8500-9000 with right parts?
Please don't scream at me. Just a little out of the box here. How about an electric motor with enough power to outrun the C6 Z06 and a range more than 600 miles on one charge (sound s impossible). Maybe put a fuel cell in it so all you need is a little hydrogen and off you go again.
I would miss the fun of working on the gas engines and the sound of the exhaust.
I would miss the fun of working on the gas engines and the sound of the exhaust.
We would get used to the new sounds and learn that the whine of a high power electric motor is "the" sound of power.
Did you ever see the old Flash Gordon TV series from the 30's or 40's? That was before jets and the spaceships used the sound effects from bi-planes as the sound of power.
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Styling aside, what would you like to see in the C7?
