[Z06] New Battleship Class Z06?
08-19-2014, 07:53 PM
#61
Le Mans Master
Because it's end of life on a very low production vehicle, which saves GM enormous R&D (Z06 owners were beta testers 
), while causing them very little in CAFE credits.
Dude, only an Odumba voter would come in here and deny, defend, or complain about someone hating on the ludicrous CAFE standards. So maybe you should own a Prius and you'll feel more welcome in its forums.
), while causing them very little in CAFE credits.Dude, only an Odumba voter would come in here and deny, defend, or complain about someone hating on the ludicrous CAFE standards. So maybe you should own a Prius and you'll feel more welcome in its forums.
08-19-2014, 07:59 PM
#62
Drifting
However, my wife does have an Armada. When Obama wins his 4th term in office and dictates that everyone drive an electric car, I will just drag out my old touring bike. It also doesn't burn any gas (actually has been known to occasionally generate some) and has proven to have a minimum range of over 150 miles. Confirmational bias? This doesn't even pass my spell check. What is this guy's real name, Senor Verbose?Gary
08-19-2014, 08:05 PM
#63
Le Mans Master
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Consider this: The old gasping C6 Z06/z07 stands in the fastest 4 production cars to lap Mazda Raceway Leguna Seca @ 1.34.43. By comparison, the C7 Stingray Z51 went round in 1.38.28, nearly 4 full seconds slower! That isn't even a contest. The C6 ZR1 still holds the record lap for production cars at Leguna Seca, and while I think the C7 Z06 will improve on that, it won't be anything close to 4 seconds faster than the ZR1.
08-19-2014, 08:38 PM
#64
Drifting
I notice you don't deny voting for the worst president ever, who has mandated 54.5 MPG a mere 9 years from now. Thanks for that, and for setting the world afire, low information voters!
Hopefully, President Romney will roll back that bull$#!t in 2017, and put consumer choice and democracy back into effect.
Otherwise, enjoy your V6 C8 Z06! (base will be V4, with the V4 GS stealing the Z0V6's widebody)
08-19-2014, 09:40 PM
#65
Le Mans Master
I am not privy to GM's internal communications. But you know this, and are just being facetious. It is pointlss to debate the obvious. CAFE standards are going up, and the only way to make power and comply with them is through power adders like FI and hybrid. Cubes will decline, as we have already seen with the Cadillac CTS. Why even debate this? It makes you look silly.
I notice you don't deny voting for the worst president ever, who has mandated 54.5 MPG a mere 9 years from now. Thanks for that, and for setting the world afire, low information voters!
Hopefully, President Romney will roll back that bull$#!t in 2017, and put consumer choice and democracy back into effect.
Otherwise, enjoy your V6 C8 Z06! (base will be V4, with the V4 GS stealing the Z0V6's widebody)
I notice you don't deny voting for the worst president ever, who has mandated 54.5 MPG a mere 9 years from now. Thanks for that, and for setting the world afire, low information voters!
Hopefully, President Romney will roll back that bull$#!t in 2017, and put consumer choice and democracy back into effect.
Otherwise, enjoy your V6 C8 Z06! (base will be V4, with the V4 GS stealing the Z0V6's widebody)
The sales of the C7 with or without a 427 will not impact GM's CAFE figures in any significant way--C7s are decimal places in Chevy's annual production. You obviously disagree, but name calling doesn't add force to your argument.
I have no qualms about smaller engines and FI. It works for McClaren, Porsche, Zonda, etc.
08-19-2014, 11:00 PM
#66
Drifting
Finally, the answer I've been waiting for. You presented your opinion as fact. I was respectful in replying to your posts and you respond with insults and innuendo.
The sales of the C7 with or without a 427 will not impact GM's CAFE figures in any significant way--C7s are decimal places in Chevy's annual production. You obviously disagree, but name calling doesn't add force to your argument.
I have no qualms about smaller engines and FI. It works for McClaren, Porsche, Zonda, etc.
The sales of the C7 with or without a 427 will not impact GM's CAFE figures in any significant way--C7s are decimal places in Chevy's annual production. You obviously disagree, but name calling doesn't add force to your argument.
I have no qualms about smaller engines and FI. It works for McClaren, Porsche, Zonda, etc.
Is it OK if other Americans have some choice other than Priuses and Volts in 9 years? Or are liberty and choice no longer part of America?
08-19-2014, 11:36 PM
#67
It's gotta be a great feeling to have an omnipotent, villain-protagonist boogeyman type of character that you can blame for every injustice in your life, no matter how big, small, obscure, or random it is....
08-19-2014, 11:49 PM
#69
Le Mans Master
08-20-2014, 12:05 AM
#70
Drifting
Sorry to lower the level of enlightened discourse in a thread calling the new Z06 a fat battleship.
Right, because the left was all sweetness and light during the Bush Administration.
And yes, everyone has choices. And if you all ever want to see another V8 Corvette again, remember that choice on November 2016.
Anyway,
everyone, and enjoy your V8's before they go extinct.
08-20-2014, 09:32 AM
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As the OP, I would like to return to the original topic of this thread which was a discussion how heavy the new Z06 is and how people feel about the total change in philosophy this car represents compared to its Z06 predecessors.
Political viewpoints are best expressed in forums catering to them, this is a Corvette forum.
Thank you!
Political viewpoints are best expressed in forums catering to them, this is a Corvette forum.
Thank you!
08-20-2014, 11:10 AM
#73
Le Mans Master
As the OP, I would like to return to the original topic of this thread which was a discussion how heavy the new Z06 is and how people feel about the total change in philosophy this car represents compared to its Z06 predecessors.
Political viewpoints are best expressed in forums catering to them, this is a Corvette forum.
Thank you!
Political viewpoints are best expressed in forums catering to them, this is a Corvette forum.
Thank you!
08-20-2014, 04:28 PM
#74
Safety Car
I have the Sept issue of R&T in front of me adn in the baack they have a listing of a number of cars they have taken to a local converted airport track near Detroit.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
08-20-2014, 04:35 PM
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08-20-2014, 04:55 PM
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I have the Sept issue of R&T in front of me adn in the baack they have a listing of a number of cars they have taken to a local converted airport track near Detroit.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
08-20-2014, 07:09 PM
#77
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I have the Sept issue of R&T in front of me adn in the baack they have a listing of a number of cars they have taken to a local converted airport track near Detroit.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
Nothing definitive about it but the Camaro Z/28 (wLS7) ran a lap of 54.66 sec and the C7 Z51 ran a lap of 54.80. So the LS7 in a very porky (3800 lb) Camaro lapped more quickly than the new C7. In all fairness the top speed is also listed and the Camaro ran a max of131.2 mph and the C7 Vette a max of 135.5.
So the Z/28s lap time advantage is more likely due to the incredible tires delivered on the Z/28.
Has anyone run a serious (Group 4 or open passing group) HPDE with a well driven C7?
I would be interested in how that went/goes, as we have both a weight and a hp advantage over the C7.
08-20-2014, 09:52 PM
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Z06 guys are without a doubt the most insular group ever. The vast majority of (actual and potential) Corvette buyers want a fast, sexy street machine. Even most Z06 owners don't track their cars. GM is a for-profit, publicly held corporation with a duty to make money. It is not a small, private performance shop like Hennessey.
GM made 471 Z06's in 2013. That's 3.5% of all C6's. I seriously doubt GM ever got its R&D money back from either Z, especially the Z06 with its valve issues. GM needs to appeal more to the masses if the Corvette, and its HiPo variants are to survive.
At least you can still order a C7Z with a stick, which is something GT3 owners can no longer do.
GM made 471 Z06's in 2013. That's 3.5% of all C6's. I seriously doubt GM ever got its R&D money back from either Z, especially the Z06 with its valve issues. GM needs to appeal more to the masses if the Corvette, and its HiPo variants are to survive.
At least you can still order a C7Z with a stick, which is something GT3 owners can no longer do.
08-20-2014, 10:29 PM
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Racer
Z06 guys are without a doubt the most insular group ever. The vast majority of (actual and potential) Corvette buyers want a fast, sexy street machine. Even most Z06 owners don't track their cars. GM is a for-profit, publicly held corporation with a duty to make money. It is not a small, private performance shop like Hennessey.
GM made 471 Z06's in 2013. That's 3.5% of all C6's. I seriously doubt GM ever got its R&D money back from either Z, especially the Z06 with its valve issues. GM needs to appeal more to the masses if the Corvette, and its HiPo variants are to survive.
At least you can still order a C7Z with a stick, which is something GT3 owners can no longer do.
GM made 471 Z06's in 2013. That's 3.5% of all C6's. I seriously doubt GM ever got its R&D money back from either Z, especially the Z06 with its valve issues. GM needs to appeal more to the masses if the Corvette, and its HiPo variants are to survive.
At least you can still order a C7Z with a stick, which is something GT3 owners can no longer do.
Maybe we need a small shop like Hennessey to take over the Corvette brand to keep them a performance car (for those of us that bought the car for performance).
Enjoy !
