Halltech

You show KB2, was that our older intake or a recent SBMF103?

The reason I ask, is that Howard just ordered 2 of our Super Bees a few days ago.

Great numbers!

mistermog

Sorry it is MF103.
I ordered it from you a year ago.... still rubs the hood liner hehe

Halltech

Loosen all the hose clamps. All three. Push the nose of the SB down into the filter all the way and it will not rub anything.

I saw one a the track that had that issue and fixed it in 2 minutes.

The Super Bee will not touch anything but your wallet for new tires.

mistermog

Hahaha, yeah we went over this for an hour via email and I sent pictures. I think mine just might be weird. No problem, its not a major thing. No leaks or problems with it. I'm satisfied with it even with the little quarter sized rub spot.

DaytonaFIC6

Congrats! Did you drop the steering rack or cradle when you did the cam swap?

mistermog

I did the swap in my garage, I took out the steering rack.

It actually wasn't that bad of a job, I just had to get creative to bend the ears open a little bit on the frame to get the rack's passenger side to seat back down.

I just went out and started her up in the garage after I put the TR55s back in instead of the 6's and man that thing sounds so damn loud in a 1 car garage.

Howard was dead on the money with the spark plugs too. When I took out the TR6s a couple of them had carbon traces on the electrodes that he said would happen if they are just a tad too cold.

FNBADAZ06

Sweet results !!!!! It's just a dyno number, and those can fluctuate all over the place based on brand, environmentals, and dyno operator.
If you want to see that extra 25 ft/lbs of torque, put it on E85.

mistermog

I can't get E85 up here... awww hehehe.

I got a chance to play around with it and its suuuuch a smooth torque curve, I barely feel the thing accelerating. I did come across a v10 R8 on the way home last night and from 70-120 it was dead even. No idea about the R8's mods or anything, and I was ginger rolling into throttle but damn that was fun. In theory, I mean.

LT5 John

Great job Chris, great numbers as well!

FrankTank

Congrats !! Those are very good numbers , and dynos are all different and it seems someone always makes more power than someone else with same mods , it's like me .. I was pretty sure I'd get 500rwhp with stock cam and my mods but got 474

Halltech

You could both take your cars to Katech and have them take the motors out and put them on the engine dyno. Two LS7s with the same mods will dyno within 3 hp of each other.

If you had your car on the same dyno under the exact same conditions, circumstances, with the same humidity, same correction factor, same tune, same oil temp, same water temp and same mods, same dust in the air filter, same wheels and tire pressures, and operator, you would have dynoed within 3 RWHP of his pull.

Katech did most of the GM validation on the LS7 back in 2004-05 and found only minor hp differences between the tested motors, well within the margin of error from pull to pull.

The only time I have ever heard Jason mention the word freak in terms of an engine was our 2006 Z06. It dynoed 448 RWHP at LGM, which is pretty standard numbers for stock; I bought the car and tuned it, it made 476.77 RWHP stock with a tune; brought the car to Katech with our tune, headers and the original foam honeycomb filter and it dynoed 496 RWHP. Then 538 RWHP with their torquer cam blasting the record 508 RWHP with their cam and a Callaway Honker.

The intakes were likely on par with each other, so where did the +30 RWHP come from? Was the engine a freak? Nope. What was freakish was my tuning.

There are tuners, and then there are TUNERS. Some are ultra conservative to prevent motor annihilation and warranty denial, and some just don't know what can and cannot be done safely. My own car has all the stops pulled out, and cannot be driven safely by anyone without a warning about losing control at 80 mph. Torque management is shut OFF. Some knock control (engine protection) is off. Timing is around 27 to 29 degrees. Traction control is off, IVT gain PE off, COTP Off; would I tune someone else's car like this? Not a chance. I've tuned over 500 Z06s and still learn new things all the time, and one is to be conservative as hell with someone else's property. The Army slogan does not apply to OPP.

I pioneered the E85 fuel tuning, but the first to have this was Jay Leno. His car was only the first car built for E85, but my idea went way back before the C6.RS came on the scene. Back then, Katech could not and would not build a Street Attack with fuel switching. I pressed them over and over again for a high CR motor, and the rest is history.

jbs02somws6

Intersting theory. My dad ran door to door with a v10 r8 in his cai only cts-v2 m6 from 70- 130, then the audi pulled away. At least that was a story of his last year.

FrankTank

Jim, I was simply saying no 2 dynos are the same , and yes no 2 tuners tune the exact same way. Some dyno operators can play with numbers and manipulate results everyone knows that. I'm not accusing anyone here of doing that at all . Thanks for the additional info. People also get to hung up on dyno numbers . I think OP got really good numbers based on his mods

Random84

mistermog

On that R8 I don't know if it was modded but it was being followed by a nastly looking GTR that I didn't get to play with so Im betting that yes, there were mods involved.

I'm not unhappy with the numbers that came up, I just expected more per previously conversations with a different place when I was trying to figure out what cam I was getting.

All in all the car drives fantastically and sounds bad ***. It definitely pulls 120-145 much harder than it did before too.

camirocz

Who cares about the numbers?Go to the track and see what it runs and traps .Thats what matters.

mistermog

Yep I know, just waiting for cooler weather in a few months for that. Going to get used to power delivery, I'm still a bit nervous to stomp the throttle and my roll ons are really timid.

briancb1

The lowest I've dynoed was 600 flat and highest was 611. All SAE, all Dynojets, exact same setup. That's why I just tell people 605 rwhp because its the middle.

You can dyno somewhere else and see a jump in "numbers" but it's still the same setup and pulls just the same.

Chase the feeling, not the numbers game.

Congrats bro.