[Z06] WCCH HEADS....and what to expect.
12-04-2012, 11:05 AM
#201
I don't see anywhere in this thread where you contacted them and told them you aren't happy. All you did was ask about the marks and he replied in a professional manner. You then took that as him saying screw off and deal with it. Stop being a child and call him. This is crazy.
He has implied that Richard farmed his heads out.
Implied that WCCH would give him bogus spring pressures if he had called.
If the folks at WCCH have read any of that, and it is all up here for anyone to see, then he has burned his bridges with talk like that.
What's he going to do? Call and tell them that be didn't mean any of those things he said, but he wants this matter resolved?
No, he reacted this way after one email. Not after speaking with Richard over the phone ever, just one email.
Calling at this point? After saying all that he has said, flying off the handle, after just one email which it appears was not intended to insult him, calling now is probably not an option.
12-04-2012, 11:14 AM
#202
Safety Car
Then I'm sure you understand the part where everyone is saying call WCCH but at this point Griffee has burned that bridge.
12-04-2012, 11:32 AM
#203
Racer
Once again, you completely miss the point. These grind marks are not a hallmark of quality or poor manufacture of the cylinder head as a whole. They are there to remove potential stress points and casting flash. It is what is on the inside that counts, and unfortunately is being completely ignored in this thread by the OP and you. Anything you have seen from the OP has nothing to do with how the heads will perform. Nothing.
12-04-2012, 12:18 PM
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12-04-2012, 12:25 PM
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Unreal, at this point he can't call him.
He has implied that Richard farmed his heads out.
Implied that WCCH would give him bogus spring pressures if he had called.
If the folks at WCCH have read any of that, and it is all up here for anyone to see, then he has burned his bridges with talk like that.
What's he going to do? Call and tell them that be didn't mean any of those things he said, but he wants this matter resolved?
No, he reacted this way after one email. Not after speaking with Richard over the phone ever, just one email.
Calling at this point? After saying all that he has said, flying off the handle, after just one email which it appears was not intended to insult him, calling now is probably not an option.
He has implied that Richard farmed his heads out.
Implied that WCCH would give him bogus spring pressures if he had called.
If the folks at WCCH have read any of that, and it is all up here for anyone to see, then he has burned his bridges with talk like that.
What's he going to do? Call and tell them that be didn't mean any of those things he said, but he wants this matter resolved?
No, he reacted this way after one email. Not after speaking with Richard over the phone ever, just one email.
Calling at this point? After saying all that he has said, flying off the handle, after just one email which it appears was not intended to insult him, calling now is probably not an option.
Well hears a newsflash...he's out of town. He was out of town yesterday, and he is out of town all week. So he isn't there.
Yes, there are assumptions made when you don't do good work. When my cylinder heads look different then everyone else's....WHY becomes a question and concern especially when Richard himself says and I quote, "We deburr all the heads we work on because they're so sharp from the manufacturer". If there were bunches of pictures to support this....then fine...that's the wayhe does them. When HE SAYS WE DEBURR ALL THE HEADS WE WORK ON yet yours and others weren't done it begs the question.
If the spring pressures aren't on his work order, and invoice where do you suppose he stored them? I wouldn't have to question them if he did his job.
See... if he did his job I wouldn't be questioning anything. If he did the same work you received I wouldn't be questioning anything. If I received the same work Turbo6 received I wouldn't be questioning anything. That is not what happened though...
12-04-2012, 12:54 PM
#206
I'm not sure I understand? You've been pounding your keyboard for the last twelve hours to call him, and how I've done something wrong by posting pictures of their work. Now you don't want me to call?
Well hears a newsflash...he's out of town. He was out of town yesterday, and he is out of town all week. So he isn't there.
Yes, there are assumptions made when you don't do good work. When my cylinder heads look different then everyone else's....WHY becomes a question and concern especially when Richard himself says and I quote, "We deburr all the heads we work on because they're so sharp from the manufacturer". If there were bunches of pictures to support this....then fine...that's the wayhe does them. When HE SAYS WE DEBURR ALL THE HEADS WE WORK ON yet yours and others weren't done it begs the question.
If the spring pressures aren't on his work order, and invoice where do you suppose he stored them? I wouldn't have to question them if he did his job.
See... if he did his job I wouldn't be questioning anything. If he did the same work you received I wouldn't be questioning anything. If I received the same work Turbo6 received I wouldn't be questioning anything. That is not what happened though...
Well hears a newsflash...he's out of town. He was out of town yesterday, and he is out of town all week. So he isn't there.
Yes, there are assumptions made when you don't do good work. When my cylinder heads look different then everyone else's....WHY becomes a question and concern especially when Richard himself says and I quote, "We deburr all the heads we work on because they're so sharp from the manufacturer". If there were bunches of pictures to support this....then fine...that's the wayhe does them. When HE SAYS WE DEBURR ALL THE HEADS WE WORK ON yet yours and others weren't done it begs the question.
If the spring pressures aren't on his work order, and invoice where do you suppose he stored them? I wouldn't have to question them if he did his job.
See... if he did his job I wouldn't be questioning anything. If he did the same work you received I wouldn't be questioning anything. If I received the same work Turbo6 received I wouldn't be questioning anything. That is not what happened though...
If Richard does accommodate you at this point, after all that you have said, well then he is even more of a class guy than any of us in here who have already dealt with him, ever thought.
But I would not be flabbergasted if he did.
Perhaps it finally soaked in that you should have attempted to contact him by telephone before you went on your tirade about him farming out work.
No matter how this plays out, your next reaction will be worth it to see.
It says here that if he does accommodate you in any way, that you won't be nearly as vocal about that, as you will be if be doesn't.
With regard to them deburring all of the heads and how yours don't seem to look like anyone else's, not true. You have already seen Confused Garage's pics.
I suggest anyone interested, look at these in full screen or near full screen.
Look near the left of the very bottom of the pic at the area of the bolt hole, as well as the spark plug holes and the removal of the casting flash and reduction of the ribs.
[/IMG]These next pics belong to Sixbills. The 2nd pic has been rotated.
My tuner called and said my heads came in from WCCH( Got to love over night shipping)
These look beautiful !
Here's some pictures, Richard was super nice to deal with knows these heads well. My heads had 1300 miles and already the exhaust guides were showing heavy wear and the finish on the intake valve were very rough.
I went with stage 2 cnc ports, Bronze guide,1 piece stainless valves , Tumble polished stock intake valves and Manley springs and retainers and milled to 11.6 to 1.
These look beautiful !
Here's some pictures, Richard was super nice to deal with knows these heads well. My heads had 1300 miles and already the exhaust guides were showing heavy wear and the finish on the intake valve were very rough.
I went with stage 2 cnc ports, Bronze guide,1 piece stainless valves , Tumble polished stock intake valves and Manley springs and retainers and milled to 11.6 to 1.
These following pics are from the one's used in the current thread "2008 Corvette WCCH/Katech Install" by Brian at RPT
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...h-install.html
And were installed by Brian at RPT. In his pics, which he references in the thread, there is this one:
Take a look near the spark plug holes. Especially near the right of the picture
Im trying to see how yours, pictured below, is any worse than the one that Brian has installed above.
These people's WCCH heads are deburred. Just like yours. So all of this talk about how your heads are somehow "worse" than everybody else's, so they must have been "farmed out" is ridiculous.
A few more pics of their heads post deburring
http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1569982
Your heads have been duburred, same as everyone else's.
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12-04-2012, 01:00 PM
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12-04-2012, 09:57 PM
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12-05-2012, 12:39 AM
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You did a whole lot more than just "post pictures of their work". You implied that he was farming out work and would stoop so low as to give you bogus spring pressures.
If Richard does accommodate you at this point, after all that you have said, well then he is even more of a class guy than any of us in here who have already dealt with him, ever thought.
But I would not be flabbergasted if he did.
Perhaps it finally soaked in that you should have attempted to contact him by telephone before you went on your tirade about him farming out work.
No matter how this plays out, your next reaction will be worth it to see.
It says here that if he does accommodate you in any way, that you won't be nearly as vocal about that, as you will be if be doesn't.
With regard to them deburring all of the heads and how yours don't seem to look like anyone else's, not true. You have already seen Confused Garage's pics.
I suggest anyone interested, look at these in full screen or near full screen.
Look near the left bottom of the pic at the area of the bolt hole, as well as the spark plug holes and the removal of the casting flash and reduction of the ribs.
These belong to Sixbills. The 4th pic has been rotated.
These are the one's used in the current thread "2008 Corvette WCCH/Katech Install" by Brian at RPT
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...h-install.html
And were installed by Brian at RPT. In his pics, which he references in the thread, there is this one:
Take a look near the spark plug holes. Especially near the right of the picture
Im trying to see how yours, pictured below, is any worse than the one that Brian has installed above.
These people's WCCH heads are deburred. Just like yours. So all of this talk about how your heads are somehow "worse" than everybody else's, so they must have been "farmed out" is ridiculous.
A few more pics of their heads post deburring
http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1569982
Your heads have been duburred, same as everyone else's.
If Richard does accommodate you at this point, after all that you have said, well then he is even more of a class guy than any of us in here who have already dealt with him, ever thought.
But I would not be flabbergasted if he did.
Perhaps it finally soaked in that you should have attempted to contact him by telephone before you went on your tirade about him farming out work.
No matter how this plays out, your next reaction will be worth it to see.
It says here that if he does accommodate you in any way, that you won't be nearly as vocal about that, as you will be if be doesn't.
With regard to them deburring all of the heads and how yours don't seem to look like anyone else's, not true. You have already seen Confused Garage's pics.
I suggest anyone interested, look at these in full screen or near full screen.
Look near the left bottom of the pic at the area of the bolt hole, as well as the spark plug holes and the removal of the casting flash and reduction of the ribs.
These belong to Sixbills. The 4th pic has been rotated.
These are the one's used in the current thread "2008 Corvette WCCH/Katech Install" by Brian at RPT
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...h-install.html
And were installed by Brian at RPT. In his pics, which he references in the thread, there is this one:
Take a look near the spark plug holes. Especially near the right of the picture
Im trying to see how yours, pictured below, is any worse than the one that Brian has installed above.
These people's WCCH heads are deburred. Just like yours. So all of this talk about how your heads are somehow "worse" than everybody else's, so they must have been "farmed out" is ridiculous.
A few more pics of their heads post deburring
http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1569982
Your heads have been duburred, same as everyone else's.
DH
12-05-2012, 01:40 AM
#212
His belief that no one else's WCCH heads have marks like his, is a false belief. The ones shown in the RPT pics and which were just used in one of their builds, are very similar to his own.
The WCCH head below belongs to 08VRZ06, and are taken from his thread describing his build:
You can see grinder marks pretty much all over the underside of the head Blow the picture up and you will see grinder marks on the ribs, in between the ribs, at the spark plug holes and at the bolt holes at each end.
So this talk from Griffee about his heads having been "farmed out" because they have grinder marks on them, is bunk.
Furthermore, so as not to give the notion that only WCCH deburrs stock heads, the following heads were done by AES.
They show up in this thread, and two of interest have been copied below and rotated so the viewer can appreciate better the fact that these too were deburred.
The difference is that they were likely deburred, either by the OEM manufacturer, GM, or AES, but they appear to have been deburred before ever being hot tanked. As such, you don't see the raw exposed aluminum after they have been deburred.
But make no mistake, they have definitely had the grinder on them in an attempt to reduce the flash and rough edges on them.
I searched this out of curiosity because I also wanted to see if there was something somehow "special" about the way that Griffee's heads had been treated.
Turns out, no. At least one vendor in here has just put a set of heads into one of their builds with similar grinder marks to Griffee's.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; 12-06-2012 at 09:06 PM.
12-05-2012, 06:21 AM
#213
Burning Brakes
Looks as though Quick debunked the whole thing, it's done. Quit whining, suck it up. WCCH deburrs all their stage 2 LS7 heads.
12-05-2012, 07:22 AM
#215
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Thread Starter
You would think so.
His belief that no one else's WCCH heads have marks like his, is a false belief. The ones shown in the RPT pics and which were just used in one of their builds, are very similar to his own.
The WCCH head below belongs to 08VRZ06, and are taken from his thread describing his build:
You can see grinder marks pretty much all over the underside of the head Blow the picture up and you will see grinder marks on the ribs, in between the ribs, at the spark plug holes and at the bolt holes at each end.
So this talk from Griffee about his heads having been "farmed out" because they have grinder marks on them, is bunk.
Furthermore, so as not to give the notion that only WCCH deburrs stock heads, the following heads were done by AES.
They show up in this thread, and two of interest have been copied below and rotated so the viewer can appreciate better the fact that these too were deburred.
The difference is that they were likely deburred, either by the OEM manufacturer, GM, or AES, but they appear to have been deburred before ever being hot tanked. As such, you don't see the raw exposed aluminum after they have been deburred.
But make no mistake, they have definitely had the grinder on them in an attempt to reduce the flash and rough edges on them.
I searched this out of curiosity because I also wanted to see if there was something somehow "special" about the way that Griffee's heads had been treated.
Turns out, no. At least one vendor in here has just put a set of heads into one of their builds with similar grinder marks to Griffee's.
His belief that no one else's WCCH heads have marks like his, is a false belief. The ones shown in the RPT pics and which were just used in one of their builds, are very similar to his own.
The WCCH head below belongs to 08VRZ06, and are taken from his thread describing his build:
You can see grinder marks pretty much all over the underside of the head Blow the picture up and you will see grinder marks on the ribs, in between the ribs, at the spark plug holes and at the bolt holes at each end.
So this talk from Griffee about his heads having been "farmed out" because they have grinder marks on them, is bunk.
Furthermore, so as not to give the notion that only WCCH deburrs stock heads, the following heads were done by AES.
They show up in this thread, and two of interest have been copied below and rotated so the viewer can appreciate better the fact that these too were deburred.
The difference is that they were likely deburred, either by the OEM manufacturer, GM, or AES, but they appear to have been deburred before ever being hot tanked. As such, you don't see the raw exposed aluminum after they have been deburred.
But make no mistake, they have definitely had the grinder on them in an attempt to reduce the flash and rough edges on them.
I searched this out of curiosity because I also wanted to see if there was something somehow "special" about the way that Griffee's heads had been treated.
Turns out, no. At least one vendor in here has just put a set of heads into one of their builds with similar grinder marks to Griffee's.
I am still not happy about his process, but can at least feel comfortable now that they aren't farmed out heads. Regardless I have another vendor who will be going through them to get the spring pressures, and give them look. I have no problem reporting his findings good or bad.
12-05-2012, 08:38 AM
#216
Safety Car
Now, you are being help. Where was this Quick three days ago? How many times have I asked for pictures from anyone who owns WCCH heads regarding the deburring? To no avail, to being ducked and dived around. When a question goes unanswered and ignored and cannot be supported assumptions will be made.
I am still not happy about his process, but can at least feel comfortable now that they aren't farmed out heads. Regardless I have another vendor who will be going through them to get the spring pressures, and give them look. I have no problem reporting his findings good or bad.
I am still not happy about his process, but can at least feel comfortable now that they aren't farmed out heads. Regardless I have another vendor who will be going through them to get the spring pressures, and give them look. I have no problem reporting his findings good or bad.
12-05-2012, 09:16 AM
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12-05-2012, 09:53 AM
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12-05-2012, 09:58 AM
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Safety Car
Do you have complete pictures of your LS7 heads that Darin Morgan at Reher Morrison Racing Engine in Arlington, TX ported for you. I looked at your previous thread but did not see complete pictures.
12-05-2012, 09:59 AM
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St. Jude Donor '11
the Op should really look at his z06 and see the lack of quality found in other areas if he is worried abut some grind marks. Hate to see what happens when he gets a chip in the paint.