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[Z06] how will our 505hp Z's stack up against the '13 662hp shelby?

Old 05-04-2012, 07:13 PM
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I raced a modded 550hp version GT500 and it still only ran 11.70 with slicks full exhaust and headers, smaller pully, intake and tune. Car pulled 1.6 60ft too.

That's why I doubt the new one will run 10's on stock tires. I even posted a video of our run on this post.

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Old 05-04-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NHRA95
Not impressed with the ZL1 on DR's. Needs more ponies OR less weight to compete with the Shelby.

What are the times you've seen from a stock ZL1 on Drag Radials?
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Jawnathin
What are the times you've seen from a stock ZL1 on Drag Radials?
I saw around 11.8 on one automotive website. It ran 11.9 stock.
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Old 05-05-2012, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mdm23
I saw around 11.8 on one automotive website. It ran 11.9 stock.
Thanks. I've heard of 11.9 on street tires (per GM's release earlier today) but no times on DRs.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 00__Vette
Yeah, that Cobra was a beast. Light weight (2350lbs), and a great motor (485hp). Oh how I would love to own an original!!! Sexy too.

Could you imagine if the Z was only 2350lbs? Damn!! That's all I have to say about that (Forrest Gump accent)
Truly, a timeless design that I wouldn't change a bit. At the end of the trophy run, we were both weighed and the Cobra weighed in at 2200 lbs and me at 3200.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:15 AM
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Ok here it is standard zl1 camaro ran 11.96 at 117 and automtic ran 11.93 at 116.The Shelby is 300 pounds lighter and had 80 h.p more ,any of you still think it wont be fast?These times for the zl1 are from g.m.on stock tires.The video is on you tube.gt 500 will easily go 11.5 all stock maybe even 11.3.
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LOSNSUX
Truly, a timeless design that I wouldn't change a bit. At the end of the trophy run, we were both weighed and the Cobra weighed in at 2200 lbs and me at 3200.
Was it an original shelvy cobra? If so, what a rare experience to not only see one, but race one!

Such an awesome piece of machinery!!
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Old 05-05-2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by camirocz
Ok here it is standard zl1 camaro ran 11.96 at 117 and automtic ran 11.93 at 116.The Shelby is 300 pounds lighter and had 80 h.p more ,any of you still think it wont be fast?These times for the zl1 are from g.m.on stock tires.The video is on you tube.gt 500 will easily go 11.5 all stock maybe even 11.3.
Mid 11's is what I have been predicting. I doubt it'll hit 10's from the showroom floor like others think. But I could be wrong.
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Old 05-06-2012, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 00__Vette
Was it an original shelvy cobra? If so, what a rare experience to not only see one, but race one!

Such an awesome piece of machinery!!
It was an original (too new to have reproductions already). The 427 Shelby Cobra had just introduced and there was only one at the Winternationals. He eliminated half the Corvettes in the field and I eliminated the other half.

When I bought my 396, it was $4k and the 427 Cobra was selling for $13k. Times and prices have certainly changed
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This thread has become very interesting. I can't wait to see actual results.
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Originally Posted by camirocz
Ok here it is standard zl1 camaro ran 11.96 at 117 and automtic ran 11.93 at 116.The Shelby is 300 pounds lighter and had 80 h.p more ,any of you still think it wont be fast?These times for the zl1 are from g.m.on stock tires.The video is on you tube.gt 500 will easily go 11.5 all stock maybe even 11.3.
Yeah.......with DR's ! mid 12's at best without
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by GTJim
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/04/2...11-93-seconds/

ZL1 did the QM in 11.93 seconds. See above link.
Bottom line - is Ford got Chevy's lunch on the Zl1 with their 662hp rustang.

662hp rustang will be 11.8 to 11.9 at a 120 to 122mph and will be an 11.4to 11.7 car with drag radials.

As for our beloved 505 hp Z06's it will be very close on the quarter. with a slight edge going to the z06 - probably mostly a drivers race. Frpm an 80 mph roll up to 160 mph, I think the z06 has it. from a 40 mph roll on - watch out, the stang might get our 5o5hp.

On a road course or track of course our Z06's will run circles around the rustang.

Bottomline -- I would like one of these stang's in my garage over a Zl1. simply because it is a much better looking car than the camaro. - I will keep my z06 - thank you very much

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Old 05-06-2012, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mdm23
I saw around 11.8 on one automotive website. It ran 11.9 stock.
Originally Posted by Jawnathin
Thanks. I've heard of 11.9 on street tires (per GM's release earlier today) but no times on DRs.
True, both the manual and the automatic versions went 11.9s in pure bone stock (tires included) trim. And it was also noted that both cars went about a tenth or so quicker after the drag radials were installed.




Originally Posted by Mr. Gizmo
662hp rustang will be 11.8 to 11.9 at a 120 to 122mph and will be an 11.4to 11.7 car with drag radials.
You do know that the older (550hp) GT500 has run an 11.1@124mph on sticky tires (and skinnies up front as well which does help) but otherwise bone stock, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=XNhulxLTim8

The new one has 112hp/121tq more than that one and weighs roughly the same.
It does have slightly less aggressive gearing (which could possibly help it even more on those relatively narrow stock rear tires) though.

On average yes, mid to high 11s will be the most common.
But I believe that in good air with a great driver a pure bone stock 2013 GT500 will run an 11.3/11.2 at over 124mph.
High 10s with just a rear tire swap in those same conditions.
Time will tell.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:08 AM
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I don't doubt 10s on a drag at all. However, they are fitted with 285s in the back, and just like the 550 hp gt500s ran 12.4s+ @ 116 all day, I'm not seeing how people are coming up with this car shaving a full second off with more power and the same traction issues. I will be stunned if this '13 pulls off better than an 11.6-8 on factory street tires. If it runs 10.8 on drags, I wouldn't be stunned however.
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:29 AM
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Gizmo how do you explain 662 h.p on drag radials going slower than a z06 when the weight difference is 700 pounds but there are 157 h.p more and 160 lbs /ft of torque more in the gt 500?I understand you love your z06 as i love mine but i hope for you ,an angry guy in a gt 500 doesnt spank your butt silly .And 120 to 122 mph ?Are you dreaming? The gt 500 will easily see 126 mph even on tires.
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:34 AM
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The suspension has been seriously tuned for the gt 500 to hook up and i think many people here on this forum are in for a big surprise.Do not under estimate this car,and, remember the z06 dates back to 2006 ,this is 2013 tecnology!Like i said earlier 11.3 to 11.5 all stock at 126mph is very doable with 662 h.p
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Originally Posted by camirocz
The suspension has been seriously tuned for the gt 500 to hook up and i think many people here on this forum are in for a big surprise.Do not under estimate this car,and, remember the z06 dates back to 2006 ,this is 2013 tecnology!Like i said earlier 11.3 to 11.5 all stock at 126mph is very doable with 662 h.p
I've made over 1,000 1/4 passes in my time, various cars, various tracks. Other than when a then new 997.2 cabrio Turbo S ripped a 10.8right off the boat, I have rarely been "surprised" by a cars run. You can always triangulate to a certain extent where it will perform in the 1/4, not so much for the nurburgring or road coarse. I agree, the guys simply assuming the 3890 curb weight will dismiss the threat entirely are a bit naive.

I just know that getting a 1.7 60 ft out of a street tired Z06 is challenging if you aren't at Norwalk/MIR or some other great track. On street tires I average about 11.4@132.8 with 1.79 60's. My car weighs 3130, and I have about 615 hp at the flywheel. Now vettes are lighter, have wider tires, and have a transaxle over the rear tires, all of which are advantages over the GT500s.

So what people are saying when they say the 13 MY GT500 will run 11.3-11.5, is that with more horsepower and "technology" the Mustang is going to go from 60fts in the high 1.8s (best GT500 on street tires I've seen yet - put my friend at 12.2 @ 116) to 60 fts in the 1.6s? The laws of physics don't seem to jive with this logic. I love the GT500 too, considering switching over, but I just don't see this car running 11.3 on a street tire. This isn't hating, just how actual numbers I see would play out. Should the car trap 128? Absolutely.
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Originally Posted by camirocz
00 vette .Read carefully what i write:505 h.p 3150 pounds vs 662 h.p 3850 pounds power to weight is more on the gt 500 that usually is what decides which is faster.Granted neither car will hook up on stock tires and my guess is that given the 630 ft lbs of torque that it puts out the gt 500will benefit far more from a set of drag radials.This cr will go 10s with drag radials guaranteed, and much more consistently than we do.Huge horsepower and torque advantage plus traction spell trouble.10.6 at 129mph is my guess.
But then you have a PIG like the GT-R with ALL WHEEL DRIVE that will waste a ZR-1 in the quarter, even though it has a huge power-to-weight disadvantage. So there are other factors that come into play.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbooo2u
But then you have a PIG like the GT-R with ALL WHEEL DRIVE that will waste a ZR-1 in the quarter, even though it has a huge power-to-weight disadvantage. So there are other factors that come into play.
The GTR was purposely built like a pig.
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I drove one right before i bought my first 08 06 5k. cornering made my decision.
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