[Z06] Motortrend tests the 2012 Z06(video)
08-03-2011, 02:25 PM
#21
Le Mans Master
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
08-03-2011, 02:33 PM
#24
Drifting
You are right to a point
Here is the deal on this whole thing, at least my take (coming from a driving school instructor).
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
08-03-2011, 02:52 PM
#25
Team Owner
Here is the deal on this whole thing, at least my take (coming from a driving school instructor).
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
08-03-2011, 02:58 PM
#26
Le Mans Master
I have taken my Z06/Z07 on the track and I agree 100% that the new Pliot Sports are not a street tire as you NEVER come close to using them on the street. I disagree about the carbon fiber brakes on the track. I was at Spring Mountain with a temp of 104 and I drove the standard Z06 and mine with the Z07 package. Trust me, if you can afford it, get the Z07 package. Is is better for the track, not so much for the street. I am hoping that it will hold resale better than a standard Z06 too.
You say blasphemy?!?! This guy is crazy??? GM spent millions designing this thing!!!!
The Z06 with Z07 package with professional test drivers in 2011 lapped VIR (Virginia International Raceway) at 2:53.5. To give you an idea the LP640-4 SV did it in 2:53.9 and 430 Scuderia in 2:54.6
As of now the SCCA T1 LAP RECORD (SCCA showroom stock Touring One class) Amatuer race class which is made of up 90% Corvette's (no Z06's or ZR1's allowed, just base C6Z51 and C5Z06's) is...hold on to your pants 2:01.24. That is a base Z51 with a T1 suspension kit and a set of Hoosier A6's (standard Iron brakes with Hawk DT-70 pads) and an amatuer race driver.
I love what GM has done with the car, but after you get to a certian point, it all becomes just for browny points and the REALLY fast track guys know what to use.
08-03-2011, 03:13 PM
#27
Race Director
The Z06 with Z07 package with professional test drivers in 2011 lapped VIR (Virginia International Raceway) at 2:53.5. To give you an idea the LP640-4 SV did it in 2:53.9 and 430 Scuderia in 2:54.6
As of now the SCCA T1 LAP RECORD (SCCA showroom stock Touring One class) Amatuer race class which is made of up 90% Corvette's (no Z06's or ZR1's allowed, just base C6Z51 and C5Z06's) is...hold on to your pants 2:01.24. That is a base Z51 with a T1 suspension kit and a set of Hoosier A6's (standard Iron brakes with Hawk DT-70 pads) and an amatuer race driver.
08-03-2011, 03:17 PM
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08-03-2011, 03:30 PM
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Here is the deal on this whole thing, at least my take (coming from a driving school instructor).
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
You'll NEVER be able to take advantage of these tires on the street. If you are at the point where you are maxing these tires on the street, one of 2 things will happen:
1) You will go directly to jail and lose your liscense indefinately
2) You could kill yourself or worse someone else.
Doesn't everyone understand, these tires are a marketing gimmick to give the last C6Z lap times so it ups it's reputation in the magazine numbers game. Real life, they are a waste of time on the street and track. They wear too fast and you will never be able to take advantage of the grip they provide on the street (no matter what you think). On the track, they are nothing but overpriced R compounds, and Hoosiers will smoke them lap time wise for 1/2 the price.
The unfortunate part is this version Z06 was built specifically for the track, but EVERYONE who ACTUALLY does track days knows you just buy a standard Z06 and put some Hoosiers on it for 1/3rd the price. You don't waste time with carbon brakes and OEM pilot cups unless you have money to burn. A stock Z06 with a set of Hoosiers will be as fast or faster. So you buy a regular Z06, get an extra set of rims and switch between track/street.
I could see how the "general public" could see this as an awesome package, but if you do what this package is intended for (track days), you will find, you are better served with a stock Z06 and a set of Hoosiers.
upgrade to Carbotech Xp20 f and Xp10 r cooling ducts and SRF, your good to go, using Hoosiers
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08-03-2011, 03:54 PM
#30
Drifting
Despite all of the variables in testing--DA, track prep, driver, etc--I must admit I wish they published a better time as well. Considering most mags publish 11.7 times and even Motor Trend published an 11.5 for the Z06 back in '08. I don't mean to be magazine racing but you would think Motor Trend would beat their Z06 non-Z07 0-60 time. Nevertheless, I am impressed with what GM is doing to elevate the Z, but I largely agree with 95jersey and his insights.
08-03-2011, 04:01 PM
#31
Le Mans Master
Our own forum showing former record holder at 2:06
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...es-at-vir.html
Googled NASA ST2 (which I think is equivelant T1 class) and record is 2:01 with Danny Pop and it says FULL COURSE.
08-03-2011, 06:00 PM
#32
Instructor
The Z06 with Z07 package with professional test drivers in 2011 lapped VIR (Virginia International Raceway) at 2:53.5.
As of now the SCCA T1 LAP RECORD (SCCA showroom stock Touring One class) Amatuer race class which is made of up 90% Corvette's (no Z06's or ZR1's allowed, just base C6Z51 and C5Z06's) is...hold on to your pants 2:01.24. That is a base Z51 with a T1 suspension kit and a set of Hoosier A6's (standard Iron brakes with Hawk DT-70 pads) and an amatuer race driver.
As of now the SCCA T1 LAP RECORD (SCCA showroom stock Touring One class) Amatuer race class which is made of up 90% Corvette's (no Z06's or ZR1's allowed, just base C6Z51 and C5Z06's) is...hold on to your pants 2:01.24. That is a base Z51 with a T1 suspension kit and a set of Hoosier A6's (standard Iron brakes with Hawk DT-70 pads) and an amatuer race driver.
The 2:01.24 lap record mentioned above was on the 3.27 mile VIR Full course with Hoosier A6.
http://www.virnow.com/the-track
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/lightning_lap_2011-feature/track_map_3a_vir_track_map_and_lightning _lap_2011_sector_times_page_7
08-03-2011, 06:35 PM
#33
Instructor
The 2:53.5 VIR lap time by the Car and Driver test was on the 4.1 mile Grand west course using Michelin PS2 tires.
With Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires on the 4.1 mile course, lap time should be around 2:50 with all conditions the same.
With Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires on the 4.1 mile course, lap time should be around 2:50 with all conditions the same.
Ron Fellows Performance Driving School – LEVEL 2
Our level -2 program now features the MICHELIN® Pilot® Sport PS2™ and MICHELIN® Pilot® Sport Cup™ tires! In testing the Michelin tires, (Ron) shaved nearly 3 seconds off his lap time on our 2.2 mile course. While testing the Pilot® Sport Cup™ tires, he took a further 1.5 seconds off that lap time! The lateral grip and increased stability from the Michelin tires is simply incredible.
Our level -2 program now features the MICHELIN® Pilot® Sport PS2™ and MICHELIN® Pilot® Sport Cup™ tires! In testing the Michelin tires, (Ron) shaved nearly 3 seconds off his lap time on our 2.2 mile course. While testing the Pilot® Sport Cup™ tires, he took a further 1.5 seconds off that lap time! The lateral grip and increased stability from the Michelin tires is simply incredible.
08-03-2011, 08:30 PM
#34
Le Mans Master
Despite all of the variables in testing--DA, track prep, driver, etc--I must admit I wish they published a better time as well. Considering most mags publish 11.7 times and even Motor Trend published an 11.5 for the Z06 back in '08. I don't mean to be magazine racing but you would think Motor Trend would beat their Z06 non-Z07 0-60 time. Nevertheless, I am impressed with what GM is doing to elevate the Z, but I largely agree with 95jersey and his insights.
08-03-2011, 09:57 PM
#36
Just a few minor flaws..
Remove that semi gloss latex "Centennial" paint and replace with proper Velocity Yellow
Remove crappy wheels and replace with proper chrome wheels.
Then it would be ready for my shop
What a car
Gary
Remove that semi gloss latex "Centennial" paint and replace with proper Velocity Yellow
Remove crappy wheels and replace with proper chrome wheels.
Then it would be ready for my shop
What a car
Gary
Last edited by High Altitude Vette; 08-03-2011 at 10:00 PM.
08-03-2011, 10:24 PM
#38
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
you forgot to add the 60+ year old driving it.
08-03-2011, 10:50 PM
#39
Burning Brakes
You might as well say the same thing about the Z06, or any corvette for that matter when it comes to taking advantage of the performance capabilities on the street.
08-03-2011, 11:58 PM
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The 11.9 sec 122 mph trap speeds are understandable considering how heavy the Z06 has become since the 06/07 model years. The 06' ran 11.6-11.7 at 125-126 MPH at around 3150 lbs bone stock. At 105K the 2012 Z07 has become heavier, and appears to be more refined and easier to drive. It is also slower in my opinion. Put the Z07 suspension package and tires on a 06' Z06 at 3150 lbs and see what the numbers look like.
They will look like ZR1 numbers and that is exactly what GM does not want you to see. Now the performance between the 2 have become blurred and that's just not good for business. Don't believe the hype.
They will look like ZR1 numbers and that is exactly what GM does not want you to see. Now the performance between the 2 have become blurred and that's just not good for business. Don't believe the hype.