Of course, it would help in these tests if GM didn't insist upon putting inferior tires and brakes on their stock cars.
Do you realize how stupid this comment makes you sound? Go look up the tires and brakes on the ZR1 and then get back to us with an informed comment instead of a ridiculous attempt at bashing GM and the ZR1.
I have to be honest, I'm not interested in how the ZR1 compares to a GT2 and a 599 . . . those are second-string supercars. I want to see a road race against an Enzo, a Zonda S and a Veyron. Of course, it would help in these tests if GM didn't insist upon putting inferior tires and brakes on their stock cars.
The Enzo is 6 years old already and its performance is matched by the F430 Scuderia. So I guess the Enzo is a second string supercar as well by your standards.
And the rear brakes on the ZR1 are the front brakes of the Enzo...
Great video! Let's just be as equally interested in the outcome of the spec-v gtr when it is compared to the ZR1, whatever the outcome may be - it will not doubt be more competitive and equally priced.
The brakes on the ZR1 are very good, but the tires are $Hit, and anyone who's ever driven a car on a racetrack (obviously not you) would know that. Although now that I think about it the brake design would have been a LOT better if they made them just a little bit smaller and allowed the use of lighter 18" wheels, which would also have far more choices when it comes to R-comp tires (read: real tires). On the Z06, the tires AND brakes were both trash, but hey, if you want to play the part of another mindless GM cheering fanboy I'm always amused when stupid people go around trying to call other people stupid... so keep it up, I can always use a good laugh.
I'm equally amused by posts like yours that acts like everybody that buys a Corvette only drives it on the race track...R-comp tires are not real tires to the average Corvette buyer and even less ZR1 buyers (as a percentage) will ever track those cars. Everybody is not exactly like you, thank God or we'd have a lot of really ignorant people running around. BTW, Pirelli makes some R-comp tires in a 19" size if you really knew what you were talking about, problem solved. Do you even know what size tires the Enzo and Veyron run on??? The Veyron doesn't even run on an inch size rim...I guess you're too much of a foreign fanboy to say anything negative about them. Your assumption that I've never raced on a racetrack without even knowing me shows just how stupid you are...pot, meet kettle.
Yes, the brakes are carbon fiber ceramic Brembos, but while they were copied from the FXX, they are smaller (less surface area = less friction = less stopping power). It's a vast improvement from the Z06 brakes, which as I understand are only slotted in one direction, so half the car's brakes are going the wrong way.
As for the tires, you cannot honestly believe that the Corvette Runflat Tires - Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 ZP are superior to Hoosiers, for example. That's just silly. Besides, if they are going to drag race, shouldn't the fronts be smaller (something less than the 285s) to reduce friction?
It's odd that you would get so defensive. I'm interested in seeing the ZR1 race with Bugatis, Paganis and the FXX because I think she'll give them a run for their money. She's truly exemplary of American (and more broadly, human) ingenuity. For under $150k you can own a masterpiece of engineering that can compete with its Italian contemporaries, which cost anywhere from several hundred thousand dollars to over a million.
You're as bad as the other guy thinking GM should mount full race tires on a street driven mass produced vehicle sold to the general public just because you want faster track times. The fact is that most people that buy the ZR1 will never put the car on a race track. I bought my ZR-1 new in Dec '92 and had it on the track 8 days later...almost 17 years later and many sets of r-comp tires later, me and my daughter are still racing it. In reality, I was one of very few people (as a percentage) racing their ZR-1 in the '90s and today I almost never see one being raced.
The Enzo would be hard pressed to drive across the US on its' R-comp tires while the ZR1 could go back and forth and then criss-cross it with no problems...now that's a real tire. Your drag race comment is equally baffling...why would GM sell a car set up only for drag racing???
This thread is quickly degenerating comparing apples to oranges as far as tires are concerned. If you want to go faster, spend the money and make it the way you want, but don't trash GM for their choice of a real street tire which a Hoosier isn't...even Hoosier says not to drive them on the street even though they are DOT approved. Not that it means anything to me as I drive my ZR-1 around all the time on R-comp tires except on trips.
If that's the case, wouldn't you prefer that the ZR-1 came stock with R-comp tires? When comparing the ZR-1 on the track to other super cars, it seems like such a pity that, of all things, the tires are the limiting factor (instead of the aerodynamics, power-to-weight ratio, etc).
Anyway, I don't really want to get embroiled in an argument where ad hominem attacks are involved. Some people just want to call other people "stupid." I want to discuss cars.
No, I would not have wanted my ZR-1 to have come stock with R-comp tires. I drove the car every day for the first 3.5 years and took several long trips in it...I'll take regular street tires for that thank you very much. I really don't see how you can say the tires are the limiting factor when it's so easy to get another set of rims for R-comp tires and switch to them for track duty which is exactly what I did. It's too easy to change four tires before an event which is what I did when I was daily driving it. Now it stays in the garage most of the time until race day with an occasional trip around town which is why I run on them all the time. I swap them once in Nov for an out of town Corvette gathering at South Georgia Corvettes but they get swapped right back the next day for our "tune-up" race before our annual Thanksgiving Roebling Road event. Trust me, GM didn't weld the wheels in place, you can change them.
As far as the new ZR1 (notice the lack of a hyphen), I feel the same way about it...the car is meant to be a GT car (just like the '90-'95 ZR-1), not a track only car. I've cruised 600+ miles/12 hours with no stops in mine before, getting 31+ MPG and got out at the end ready to party, they are fantastic GT cars. Buy it and make it whatever you want for your maximum driving pleasure...you, me, captain454, and a small minority of the people on this forum are in a very distinct minority when it comes to our preferred use of Corvettes. GM would be stupid to market a Corvette to such a narrow segment of the total market driving the costs for us too high to enjoy our hobby. To me, a set of track wheels/tires is much cheaper in the overall scheme of things.
The factory tires on the ZR-1 are more than capable on a track as proven at the 'Ring. Sure, R-comps will be faster but that doesn't make the factory tires "inferior" and that's what I took exception too as well as the brakes. We're probably closer to agreement than we realize once your choice of wording and my over-reaction are removed. My apologies for my part.
Think whatever you want man, FYI I'm not a fanboy of anything, especially euro trash and for the record I hate the veyron. But even euro trash designers know enough to put real tires on a "track" car, the GT3 comes with MPSCs. Oh but wait Glass Slipper, how's that possible, isn't the GT3 sold to the general public??? As far as people buying track versions of the vette and not tracking it, well posers is all they are. Anyone who buys a ZR1 (which includes track time in the purchase price) and doesn't track it, well what can I say. I guess some people just like to have a car in their garage that "can go fast on a track" so they can show off to their neighbors.
Did I say they don't make R-comp tires in 19"? No. I said the selection was limited, and it is. Derp! Try reading what people post instead of just jumping on the GM bandwagon. Besides Pirelli's P-zero corsas suck anyway, but of course a track driver like you already knows that right? LOL, I don't need to meet you to know how much experience you have on a racetrack.
Tell you what, if you think you're an experienced driver and you know that GM did such a great job with their choice of tires/brakes on the Z06 (or even the ZR1), why don't you meet up with me at the racetrack? You bring your ZR1 or even a new Z06/ZR1 with its OEM tires and brakes, and I'll bring mine with *my* tires and brakes (which are streetworthy enough to drive hundreds of miles to and from the track). See you at the track
Yes, the GT3 is offered to the general public but the general public does not daily drive the GT3 on the street. They are bought by rich people as toys and trailered to tracks...not exactly representative of the "general public". The GT3 is also offered with regular street tires so I guess Porsche is screwed up too according to you. The part in bold is incorrect, GM does not offer any track versions of the Corvette which pretty much invalidates any of your statements. Look, people buy many things for many reasons...this is America and they don't have to adhere to any "ideals" set forth by the almighty captain454. With maturity comes acceptance. Also, I would suggest you take your own advice (in bold red) and read what people post instead of making assumptions...you don't know $hit about me even though you've checked out my profile. I never said the stock tires were the best track tires, go back and read my post and you'll see the only issue I had was the stock tires being called inferior which carries the connotation of not suitable for any use.
Funny you mention the Pirelli P-Zero Corsas sucking...they are also installed by Porsche on the GT3 as a track tire in addition to the MPSCs. Yet you say Porsche (excuse me, you did say "eurotrash") puts "real tires" on the GT3 which is contradictory. I would have thought a real track hound like you would have known that. Oops, I did just assume you're a track hound but only because you come across like you spend your life there. I don't know, you could be Mario Andretti hiding behind the captain454 screen name. Maybe if you listed your location as "Indy 500", it would be clearer.
Here's a link to our next little autocross July 18: http://www.nfca.net/July_18__2009__S...er_-_final.pdf
Your welcome to show up if you want, the more the merrier. I would highly recommend bringing your best tires as I have had no problem beating any bone stock Z06 and I'm just on R-comp tires. (Ok, I have an alignment done by yours truly plus I have Hawk HP+ pads.) My daughter has beaten all bone stock Z06s too so I'll let her have first shot at you. If you can make it past her without getting your ego crushed, I'll consider wasting my time with you.
There, did I get into the spirit of talking smack enough for you?
Ok, how's this: I have another plastic fantastic with ~1200 HP and I get to pick the venue.
We'll run out in the ocean in 1'-2' seas, that's where she runs the best. Your plastic fantastic won't float??? Oh well, I guess I win!
They don't quite say how long this drag race was but at the 1/4 mile mark, I bet the GT-R was very close to the other cars considering what a jump it got from the get-go. The ZR1 would lose to that car all day long in your local stop light drags. Quite impressive for the Nissan. And most of the 1/4 mile times I've seen seem to favor the Ferrari all day long.
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I'm always amused when stupid people go around trying to call other people stupid... so keep it up, I can always use a good laugh.
If you want to go faster, spend the money and make it the way you want, but don't trash GM for their choice of a real street tire which a Hoosier isn't...even Hoosier says not to drive them on the street even though they are DOT approved. Not that it means anything to me as I drive my ZR-1 around all the time on R-comp tires except on trips.
I guess some people just like to have a car in their garage that "can go fast on a track" so they can show off to their neighbors.
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