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Old 05-03-2005, 10:08 PM
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hey guyz what do you think will run the N. ring faster the ferrari 430 or the zo6. thanks.
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im thinking the the z will run a 7:41 and the the 430 a 7:43 or somthin like that
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Just scroll down some threads, we have talked about this very subject a lot.
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Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
If I could afford a 360/430 as "easily" as a vette I'd never look back, maybe just a T1 Z06 to flog around the SCCA circuits.
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
I think his question was which car will be faster around the ring? I don't see any question which asks about preference? Lastly, it is a CAR.

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I would consider all Ferraris works of art along with the Corvettes. It doesn't just stop with those two. Trackwise it's too tough to tell right now but one thing is for sure, whoever does work the Nurburgring circuit the fastest, the other one won't be behind very far. Both these cars are going to be a -10 (negative my friends) in the slouch department, so regardless of who wins, they'll both be winners in my book. When cars like this are evenly matched or very close, I could care less who's the winner. But because I'm a Vette faithful, I route for the Vette.
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
It's a design of art I agree, and it's not a rumor it is sold out, non Ferrari customers wait is about 3 years. But mechanically it is not superior considering the reliability and cost of maintenance. I am too poor to paly the Ferrari game now, but when I can it's the Lambo Gallardo R-GT all the way. The ZO6 will be my daily driver.
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
Interesting response. I guess the bling factor weighs in heavily with you, and that's cool; just not me.
That's also a pretty bold quote saying that it's a piece of art, and I guess it's arguable; only the test of time will be able to tell. However, I doubt it will join the ranks of Van Gogh and Mozart. Maybe it will though, who knows?
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
Where did that come from? He didn't say anything about which car we'd chose and why. Obviously most here would chose the 430 if they could.
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Originally Posted by david.k
hey guyz what do you think will run the N. ring faster the ferrari 430 or the zo6. thanks.
This is a tough call. The ring demands so much of a car when we're talking about flat-out best times, often with different drivers, notwithstanding differing ambient track conditions. I'd like to see Walter Rohrl (sp?) take the Vette around the ring, as he is a respected driver there and we could better compare apples to apples. Better yet, how would the C6 Z06 hold up lap after lap compared to an F430 with, say, carbon-ceramic brakes? IMHO the C6 Z06 will be competitive at the ring with all of the other supercars, probably in the 7:40-50 range. A second or two is insignificant as it is likely driver error and not an indication of the car's capabilities.

In a straight line, I think we'll see the Vette be a little faster than the F430, but people who think that the new Z06 is gonna be 10-15 car lengths ahead of anything on two or four wheels are simply blinded by loyalty. Ferrari, Viper, Porsche, Vette are all very close, and in any car I wouldn't race the other for pink slips. One thing is for certain- it will be an awesome car, and I can't wait to take delivery of mine.
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The Ferrari is all hype & just a status symbol..

At the Ring? I'd bet on the C6 Z06 kickin some serious @ss.

(it'll actually be very close and hard to tell)
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Originally Posted by krwman007
Interesting response. I guess the bling factor weighs in heavily with you, and that's cool; just not me.
That's also a pretty bold quote saying that it's a piece of art, and I guess it's arguable; only the test of time will be able to tell. However, I doubt it will join the ranks of Van Gogh and Mozart. Maybe it will though, who knows?
I suspect it will not be another Mozart or Van Gogh. For me, and it seems for most of the world, there is an aesthetic appeal that Ferrari introduces into their cars that few companies can match. I own a Z06, I am first on my dealer's list for the C6 Z06, but I do not believe, and I have seen both the C6 Z and the 430 up front and personal, that the vette has the pizazz that the Ferrari has. I don't think it ever had it. Detroit is not Italy, and if you have ever been to Italy and paid attention to architecture, art, food, music - anything sensual, you will know exactly what I mean. To me, the Ferrari makes a statement that the C6 does not.

There are so many aspects of the 430 that the vette does not come close to mechanically. Read some of the reviews.

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Where did that come from? He didn't say anything about which car we'd chose and why. Obviously most here would chose the 430 if they could.
I overreacted - I figured someone would start doing the usual vette being better than anything else in the world routine.
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
The Ferrari is all hype & just a status symbol..

At the Ring? I'd bet on the C6 Z06 kickin some serious @ss.

(it'll actually be very close and hard to tell)
And what makes you so knowledgable to make this statement? Performance wise, on a straight line, the 430 will be at least as fast as the C6. There is lots of downforce built into the 430 - how about the vette. The gearbox, brakes, etc. are way beyond the vette. Then there are little details like seats, quality of materials in the cabin, finish, etc. The 430 is pricey, but there is a noticeable difference in finish. Reliability, which used to be the Ferrari's weak link, is now incredibly better - car comes with a warranty. Oh, and how well are you treated when you take your C6 into your friendly little Chevy dealer? And then you pray that the hack working on your car can spell Corvette.

Oh yeah, then there is that sweet exhaust note from the 430. Try matching that. Loud isn't always sweet.

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Originally Posted by JerriVette
The Ferrari is all hype & just a status symbol..

At the Ring? I'd bet on the C6 Z06 kickin some serious @ss.

(it'll actually be very close and hard to tell)
Humm.. If they stopped making Ferrari, GM wouldnt know what to copy (for our Vettes)....
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Originally Posted by vette6799
Please, don't do this again. What is with you guys. Personally, I would bet on the 430 with its mid-engine location, f1 150 millisecond shifting, etc. ,etc.

Anyone who would prefer a Z in favor of a 430...go right ahead. Rumor has it that the model is entirely sold out. In a year, the Z will be a dime a dozen and people will hardly notice. The Ferrari will draw a crowd for the next ten years, and for good reason. It is a piece of art, design-wise and mechanically. Anyone who would tell you otherwise, simply is too poor to play the game.
Ferrari's are such pieces of art mechanically that they have to be serviced what 3 or 4 times as often as "normal" cars.

Give me the Z that I could rack up 100,000 miles on over the course of owning it. The Ferrari is a boutique car that is beautiful and definitely awesome....but you are paying a preminum for the pretty horsey on front Cars are meant to be driven, not stared at. If you need your ego stroked buy a Ferrari....if you need your inner child stroked get something you can drive everyday

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Think the original post should have been Chevrolet Vs. Ferrari.
That really sums it up huh.
Comparing the two is like comparing a Rembrant to a Fed Ex Kinkos Copy
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considering my father just took delivery of his f430 last week. i would not even compare it to a corvette. i personally have a 2000 c5 that is built and to compare the new zo6 to a f430 is crazy. my father said this car is as fast as his f50. now would you compare that to a new zo6. i still love my c5 but if given the chance to switch to the f430 over a new zo6 . i would not even look back.
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While that about the 430's reliability and the F50's speed is nice and all, you guys are forgetting that it's not even the subject of this thread. In case you forgot, it's still about which car will lap the "Ring" faster.


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