Steel braided brake lines....worth it?
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Le Mans Master
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Steel braided brake lines....worth it?
Getting ready to do a rotors and brake pads upgrade (DBA T5000 & carbotech pads). I also purchased a set of Goodrich braided lines....heard they were not needed plus a pita to change.....thoughts?
Supercharged street driven car (hope to roadcourse it for fun in the future),really that big of a difference/ benefit over my z51 setup with rubber lines?
Supercharged street driven car (hope to roadcourse it for fun in the future),really that big of a difference/ benefit over my z51 setup with rubber lines?
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Drifting
I put a set on a ZR1 for someone recently. They were a bit of a PITA to install & the pedal feel improvement was negligible he said. He also used the car on a couple of track days.
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Drifting
When's the last time you heard of a brake line failing on these cars? I can't seem to remember any, maybe someone with a better memory can answer that.
Ocean Springs, MS? I was stationed down there in the early 80's for a couple of years at Keesler AFB. Had some good memories there, but HOT.
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I don't think that they are any harder to install than any other brakes lines I have installed. Mine have been on for 10 years with no issues. I had to change them when I upgraded to Wilwood brakes, but was planning to do it with the factory brakes, so I saved a step.
I also upgraded the lines on my 2016 Mustang GT with Brembo's last weekend with no issues.
I also upgraded the lines on my 2016 Mustang GT with Brembo's last weekend with no issues.
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Hello C U IN Rearview,
Yes they are a a major safety upgrade if you are considering any sort of trackday road course events along with a High temp brake fluid like a Motul or a Wilwood 660. Install should be no harder, like timd38 said.
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Yes they are a a major safety upgrade if you are considering any sort of trackday road course events along with a High temp brake fluid like a Motul or a Wilwood 660. Install should be no harder, like timd38 said.
http://www.rdpstore.com/
#9
Drifting
Prior to the upgrade I had been tracking my car over the last 3 years without issues using the stock calipers, 1-piece pads, and DOT 4 fluid. My local track is VIR and on street tires I routinely need to stop from 145MPH to ~70MPHish a handful times during a 25min HPDE session.
My opinion is that if you are using the stock equipment and aren't running into any issues I wouldn't change the lines. Now if you are running sticky tires or a really aggressive pad compound than you might see a greater benefit from SS lines.
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Le Mans Master
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I recently updated the brake lines on my 2013 Grandsport manual @ 70K miles and in hind sight I can't honestly say it was worth it. The install in the front wasn't that bad but the rear calipers were the WORST specifically the passenger side My car has the magnetic ride suspension so I had to remove the sensors just to gain access to the banjo nuts, which in the end proved to be difficult to mount the new lines to.
Prior to the upgrade I had been tracking my car over the last 3 years without issues using the stock calipers, 1-piece pads, and DOT 4 fluid. My local track is VIR and on street tires I routinely need to stop from 145MPH to ~70MPHish a handful times during a 25min HPDE session.
My opinion is that if you are using the stock equipment and aren't running into any issues I wouldn't change the lines. Now if you are running sticky tires or a really aggressive pad compound than you might see a greater benefit from SS lines.
Prior to the upgrade I had been tracking my car over the last 3 years without issues using the stock calipers, 1-piece pads, and DOT 4 fluid. My local track is VIR and on street tires I routinely need to stop from 145MPH to ~70MPHish a handful times during a 25min HPDE session.
My opinion is that if you are using the stock equipment and aren't running into any issues I wouldn't change the lines. Now if you are running sticky tires or a really aggressive pad compound than you might see a greater benefit from SS lines.
Last edited by C U IN REARVEIW; 08-22-2016 at 08:12 AM.
#11
Le Mans Master
Running those same rotors and carbotech 1521 pads. I added stainless lines at the same time as those so really cant say if the lines would make much difference alone. They are very easy to swap and since there is really no downside, I would just do it at the same time.
#12
Le Mans Master
Thing is with aftermarket brake lines - are they manufactured well, fit well and do they meet the same DOT standards required of OEM lines? Some of the "stories" out there are that connection ends are inferior/inferior fits. Failures at the connection ends.
Not sure if aftermarket mfgrs are measured by DOT standards....maybe, maybe not. Here are the standards.
Quote:
S5.3.2 Expansion and burst strength
The maximum expansion of a hydraulic brake hose assembly at 1,000 psi and
1,500 psi shall not exceed the values specified in Table I (S6.1). The hydrau-
lic brake hose assembly shall then withstand water pressure of 4,000 psi
for 2 minutes without rupture, and shall not rupture at less than 5,000 psi
(S6.2).
Not sure if aftermarket mfgrs are measured by DOT standards....maybe, maybe not. Here are the standards.
Quote:
S5.3.2 Expansion and burst strength
The maximum expansion of a hydraulic brake hose assembly at 1,000 psi and
1,500 psi shall not exceed the values specified in Table I (S6.1). The hydrau-
lic brake hose assembly shall then withstand water pressure of 4,000 psi
for 2 minutes without rupture, and shall not rupture at less than 5,000 psi
(S6.2).
Last edited by BlindSpot; 08-22-2016 at 08:45 AM.
#13
Drifting
My research has shown that it is heat build up in the fluid that causes the stock (rubber) lines to swell and in-turn create soft pedal issues. If your overall system is balanced the stock lines are fine... (i.e fluid, brakes, tires, driver inputs, track conditions). In short, properly installed SS lines won't hurt but I don't feel they are needed if your baking system is balanced and you aren't running into heat management issues.
FYI, on track I run Bridgestone Pole Positions tires and XP10/XP8 (F/R) pads and my plans are to migrate to Bridgestone RE11 and XP12/XP10 (F/R).
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Le Mans Master
Some has noticed a firmer pedal with steel lines.
Do a search on issues with the install and threads into the caliper.
Myself, no C6 experience, but over the years I have had bad luck with steel lines "popping" ie losing pressure. So I stick with OEM and I don't race track my C6. Many have not had this issue.
Your decision....good luck.
Do a search on issues with the install and threads into the caliper.
Myself, no C6 experience, but over the years I have had bad luck with steel lines "popping" ie losing pressure. So I stick with OEM and I don't race track my C6. Many have not had this issue.
Your decision....good luck.
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We lost a set of OEM brake lines on Lou's Z06 at the track when he was giving sponsors a ride. Car was stock other than brake pads at the time.
Now that being said it doesn't happen that often but if we are building a car to go to the track, yes it always gets stainless brake lines....just make sure you have a good quality line to put on it.
Now that being said it doesn't happen that often but if we are building a car to go to the track, yes it always gets stainless brake lines....just make sure you have a good quality line to put on it.
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Le Mans Master
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We lost a set of OEM brake lines on Lou's Z06 at the track when he was giving sponsors a ride. Car was stock other than brake pads at the time.
Now that being said it doesn't happen that often but if we are building a car to go to the track, yes it always gets stainless brake lines....just make sure you have a good quality line to put on it.
Now that being said it doesn't happen that often but if we are building a car to go to the track, yes it always gets stainless brake lines....just make sure you have a good quality line to put on it.
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