F55 Question
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The change is in the speed that the shocks react. Slow change (tour) is perceived by your butt as soft, while quick change (sport) feels more firm.
How the car is driven and how your butt feels the difference in modes, will vary from driver to driver and butt to butt.
#23
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Find a road with expansion joints. In NJ I grew up around RT 70 which became annoying in any car. I had it on my 08. I was worried about my 11 GS Vert not having it but to be honest I haven't felt the need to switch it to tour mode if I had it. I drove my 08 in sport mode 99% of the time because tour mode felt too floaty for me in corners.
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Thanks for all help and advice.
I realize all I am going by is just what I feel by seat of the pants feel.
I have had my Grand Sport now since April 25 and have put on a good 7500 miles.
Since then I have switched it from tour to sport on all different kinds and types of roads;ran it at all different speeds as well.
I have autocrossed the car as well and switched it back and forth.
With this car I honestly can not feel any difference whatsoever between the two.
I suppose that it is possible that it is working and I could not feel the difference but that seems unlikely to me.
I would sure like to talk with an engineer who could explain this option better to me.
I realize all I am going by is just what I feel by seat of the pants feel.
I have had my Grand Sport now since April 25 and have put on a good 7500 miles.
Since then I have switched it from tour to sport on all different kinds and types of roads;ran it at all different speeds as well.
I have autocrossed the car as well and switched it back and forth.
With this car I honestly can not feel any difference whatsoever between the two.
I suppose that it is possible that it is working and I could not feel the difference but that seems unlikely to me.
I would sure like to talk with an engineer who could explain this option better to me.
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I am curious if the Grand Sports wide body comes into play with so many saying they feel little difference. In my 05 the difference is night and day. It's in sport for 99% of the time I drive, but when I get onto bumpy uneven broken road surfaces the tour mode is totally different and 1000 times better. No teeth jarring bumps, just a relatively smooth ride. When I hit that type of road in sport mode I immediately know it.
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I am curious if the Grand Sports wide body comes into play with so many saying they feel little difference. In my 05 the difference is night and day. It's in sport for 99% of the time I drive, but when I get onto bumpy uneven broken road surfaces the tour mode is totally different and 1000 times better. No teeth jarring bumps, just a relatively smooth ride. When I hit that type of road in sport mode I immediately know it.
That is why I question my GrandSport now.
There is no difference to me between the sport and tour modes in my GrandSport.
#27
Melting Slicks
I don't notice any difference between modes in my 2008 with the F55 either and am always wondering whether it is actually working or not. In my 2003 C5 I notice a big difference when I switch back and forth. Sure wish there was a definitive way to test it.
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I can feel the difference with both my 07 vert and the ZR1. Touring is too soft for me with the vert for most road surfaces and the Sport Setting is too stiff for me on the ZR1. Of course the F55 is programmed differently between the two models but I can certainly feel the difference in settings.
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is there a test procedure for f55 in the helms "factory" manual?????
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I switch to sport mode when going over those rolling speed bumps they have on some residential streets like near parks that are supposed to help enforce the 25 MPH speed limit.
In sport mode, you just go right over the bump like the car is contouring it. In tour, the car will heave just like the minivan you are following that just went over the bump and bucked as the back end went over. Although it's harsher in sport mode, you can actually go faster over the bump than in tour.
Also in driveways or when hitting the lip of something, the front end will sink more in tour and scrape the lip spoiler, while in sport you can get away without scraping or go faster without scraping.
These are non-performance driving things you can test out anywhere around in your neighborhood. Try speed bumps in tour and sport and see if you can detect the difference.
In sport mode, you just go right over the bump like the car is contouring it. In tour, the car will heave just like the minivan you are following that just went over the bump and bucked as the back end went over. Although it's harsher in sport mode, you can actually go faster over the bump than in tour.
Also in driveways or when hitting the lip of something, the front end will sink more in tour and scrape the lip spoiler, while in sport you can get away without scraping or go faster without scraping.
These are non-performance driving things you can test out anywhere around in your neighborhood. Try speed bumps in tour and sport and see if you can detect the difference.
That's an interesting comment. Most people switch to Tour when on a rough road, but one of our club members is like you- he switches to Sport on rough roads because the car is better controlled.
As far as feeling the difference, my seat time in F55 cars is brief, and I haven't been able to do any rough road comparisons. But I've driven, literally, thousands of miles behind and in front of other club members with F55. When we go over sharp bumps like frost heaves or tar strips, the F55 (in tour) looks like it absorbs the bumps better. But if we go over a rolling type bump, the F55's go bounding down the road like a 1955 Buick with worn out shocks. Comfort can mean different things to different people.
As far as feeling the difference, my seat time in F55 cars is brief, and I haven't been able to do any rough road comparisons. But I've driven, literally, thousands of miles behind and in front of other club members with F55. When we go over sharp bumps like frost heaves or tar strips, the F55 (in tour) looks like it absorbs the bumps better. But if we go over a rolling type bump, the F55's go bounding down the road like a 1955 Buick with worn out shocks. Comfort can mean different things to different people.
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In aonther instance I was going around a corner with very very rough broken pavement that I should have crawled around. But I was trying to catch some other vettes I was traveling with. So I took the corner "at speed" fully expecting the car to go nuts and skate sideways. What happened was absolutely nothing........the body stayed compsoed, the car tracked perfectly around the corner and I was able to apply power coming off the apex. The wheels however were going nuts moving up and down very quickly but not transferring that motion to the body. The wheels were moving so violently that it actually broke the shaft on one of the suspension position sensors. I was extermemyl impressed. BTW, those sensores are NOT cheap.
Bottom line, F55 is not really felt in everyday "sedate" driving but when you really really push the car, it's WOW..........huge difference!
Bottom line, F55 is not really felt in everyday "sedate" driving but when you really really push the car, it's WOW..........huge difference!
#32
i was talking about base c6 and z51 f55 and crossdrilled
z51 implies a performance upgrade yet z51 crossdrilled rotors are
1 more unsprung weight
2- more rotating mass
3-more cracking
4-same braking performance before cracking
Last edited by frankgtb; 10-30-2011 at 06:26 AM.
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i wasnt talking about zr1 f55 or zr1 crossdrilled rotors
i was talking about base c6 and z51 f55 and crossdrilled
z51 implies a performance upgrade yet z51 crossdrilled rotors are
1 more unsprung weight
2- more rotating mass
3-more cracking
4-same braking performance before cracking
i was talking about base c6 and z51 f55 and crossdrilled
z51 implies a performance upgrade yet z51 crossdrilled rotors are
1 more unsprung weight
2- more rotating mass
3-more cracking
4-same braking performance before cracking
If you use the same materials in rotors, more mass also gives the ability to absorb more heat. No such thing as a free lunch.
Last edited by Gearhead Jim; 10-30-2011 at 03:17 PM.
#34
Melting Slicks
I switch to sport mode when going over those rolling speed bumps they have on some residential streets like near parks that are supposed to help enforce the 25 MPH speed limit.
In sport mode, you just go right over the bump like the car is contouring it. In tour, the car will heave just like the minivan you are following that just went over the bump and bucked as the back end went over. Although it's harsher in sport mode, you can actually go faster over the bump than in tour.
Also in driveways or when hitting the lip of something, the front end will sink more in tour and scrape the lip spoiler, while in sport you can get away without scraping or go faster without scraping.
These are non-performance driving things you can test out anywhere around in your neighborhood. Try speed bumps in tour and sport and see if you can detect the difference.
In sport mode, you just go right over the bump like the car is contouring it. In tour, the car will heave just like the minivan you are following that just went over the bump and bucked as the back end went over. Although it's harsher in sport mode, you can actually go faster over the bump than in tour.
Also in driveways or when hitting the lip of something, the front end will sink more in tour and scrape the lip spoiler, while in sport you can get away without scraping or go faster without scraping.
These are non-performance driving things you can test out anywhere around in your neighborhood. Try speed bumps in tour and sport and see if you can detect the difference.
#35
Drifting
Not so with yours?
#36
The dampers that come with the F55 option are semi-active, in that they are electronically controlled to react to road and driver inputs. They constantly adjust for conditions all the time, whether in sport mode or touring mode. Any time you're driving your car, the shocks are working their magic, and they are not gimmicks. The problem is that the average driver has no idea what's going on under him, so the only way to make the driver feel like he got his money's worth is to put the switch on the dash. This could be seen as a gimmick.
I'm a chassis tuning engineer and a trained vehicle evaluator. In the F55 cars I've driven, the difference between sport and touring is noticeable, but the difference is mostly in body control. Depending on the road, the average driver may not feel the difference.
I'm a chassis tuning engineer and a trained vehicle evaluator. In the F55 cars I've driven, the difference between sport and touring is noticeable, but the difference is mostly in body control. Depending on the road, the average driver may not feel the difference.
Last edited by Jahan; 10-31-2011 at 11:51 PM.
#37
Burning Brakes
I can tell you this about f55. We have f55 on our 11 GS vert. It has a much, much, smoother ride than our 09 coupe with z51 did. Never tried the sport mode though, always leave in touring, no reason for anything else.
#38
The dampers that come with the F55 option are semi-active, in that they are electronically controlled to react to road and driver inputs. They constantly adjust for conditions all the time, whether in sport mode or touring mode. Any time you're driving your car, the shocks are working their magic, and they are not gimmicks. The problem is that the average driver has no idea what's going on under him, so the only way to make the driver feel like he got his money's worth is to put the switch on the dash. This could be seen as a gimmick.
I'm a chassis tuning engineer and a trained vehicle evaluator. In the F55 cars I've driven, the difference between sport and touring is noticable, but the difference is mostly in body control. Depending on the road, the average driver likely won't feel the difference.
I'm a chassis tuning engineer and a trained vehicle evaluator. In the F55 cars I've driven, the difference between sport and touring is noticable, but the difference is mostly in body control. Depending on the road, the average driver likely won't feel the difference.
#39
these are some videos thats sold me on f55
these are some videos thats sold me on f55
i want my money back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUBA6rMCWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48m1_otpD9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSi6J...eature=related
i want my money back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUBA6rMCWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48m1_otpD9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSi6J...eature=related
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